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Posted: November 13 2015 at 15:03
Or let's put it this way, maybe clearer: let's say police forces in here were constantly targeting LGBT people for harassment and were killing them without consequences. Someone started a #LGBTLivesMatter. Would you come here and say "no, #AllLivesMatter ! " ??
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 14:53
RayRo wrote:
The T wrote:
RayRo wrote:
The T wrote:
RayRo wrote:
Is it possible that blacks have two serious problems? Cops killing blacks and black on black crime? Or is there no room for that possibility in this discussion?
Just as white on white crime. Or white heroin addiction. That is just activities of concern but again it's not institutionalized discrimination for an entire ethnic group by those with power and authority.
So, you're saying that they are both not serious problems. Gotcha!
Can you be so simple-minded? Of course they are serious problems but they have nothing to do with racism and oppression as the other one.
Weren't you just defending LGBT rights on a different thread? I wonder why you can't imagine there being other groups that are similarly targeted because of who they are.
Can you really be so simple minded? Racism and oppression (in the form of slavery) started all of this.
Come down from your pedestal and look.
What pedestal? Of course I know that's how things started so what are you really trying to say? I don't understand.
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 14:50
The T wrote:
RayRo wrote:
The T wrote:
RayRo wrote:
Is it possible that blacks have two serious problems? Cops killing blacks and black on black crime? Or is there no room for that possibility in this discussion?
Just as white on white crime. Or white heroin addiction. That is just activities of concern but again it's not institutionalized discrimination for an entire ethnic group by those with power and authority.
So, you're saying that they are both not serious problems. Gotcha!
Can you be so simple-minded? Of course they are serious problems but they have nothing to do with racism and oppression as the other one.
Weren't you just defending LGBT rights on a different thread? I wonder why you can't imagine there being other groups that are similarly targeted because of who they are.
Can you really be so simple minded? Racism and oppression (in the form of slavery) started all of this.
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 14:40
RayRo wrote:
The T wrote:
RayRo wrote:
Is it possible that blacks have two serious problems? Cops killing blacks and black on black crime? Or is there no room for that possibility in this discussion?
Just as white on white crime. Or white heroin addiction. That is just activities of concern but again it's not institutionalized discrimination for an entire ethnic group by those with power and authority.
So, you're saying that they are both not serious problems. Gotcha!
Can you be so simple-minded? Of course they are serious problems but they have nothing to do with racism and oppression as the other one.
Weren't you just defending LGBT rights on a different thread? I wonder why you can't imagine there being other groups that are similarly targeted because of who they are.
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 14:36
The T wrote:
RayRo wrote:
Is it possible that blacks have two serious problems? Cops killing blacks and black on black crime? Or is there no room for that possibility in this discussion?
Just as white on white crime. Or white heroin addiction. That is just activities of concern but again it's not institutionalized discrimination for an entire ethnic group by those with power and authority.
So, you're saying that they are both not serious problems. Gotcha!
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 14:32
Pastmaster wrote:
The T wrote:
Pastmaster wrote:
garfunkel wrote:
But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. Shouldn't that be there main focus? Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?
Yup, it's ridiculous. In fact, I saw a black guy complain about the whole BLM movement, and that's saying something. Also, the media only covers all the bad things done by the police and the like, when there a lot of great cops out there. The media also wants to sensationalize crimes against blacks, and probably ignores a lot of crimes against whites.
Also, no that doesn't make you racist, I agree with you.
The media doesn't have to report on cops not killing black people or cops doing good things because THAT IS THEIR JOB AND WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. Is it so difficult to grasp?
No, but with so much reporting of the bad things cops do, people can forget all the good things they do. The omission of facts can lead to huge misunderstandings.
It's good, it's GREAT that we report things bad cops do, because 1.they may be influenced to stop hiring imbecile ego-freaks into the force, and 2. it might change the mindset in the US and make more people aware of this type of racism. And also 3. So it gets punished, because police men all around have this group mentality where they run to protect their own no matter what.
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 14:30
RayRo wrote:
Is it possible that blacks have two serious problems? Cops killing blacks and black on black crime? Or is there no room for that possibility in this discussion?
Just as white on white crime. Or white heroin addiction. That is just activities of concern but again it's not institutionalized discrimination for an entire ethnic group by those with power and authority.
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 14:08
Is it possible that blacks have two serious problems? Cops killing blacks and black on black crime? Or is there no room for that possibility in this discussion?
But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. Shouldn't that be there main focus? Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?
Yup, it's ridiculous. In fact, I saw a black guy complain about the whole BLM movement, and that's saying something. Also, the media only covers all the bad things done by the police and the like, when there a lot of great cops out there. The media also wants to sensationalize crimes against blacks, and probably ignores a lot of crimes against whites.
Also, no that doesn't make you racist, I agree with you.
The media doesn't have to report on cops not killing black people or cops doing good things because THAT IS THEIR JOB AND WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. Is it so difficult to grasp?
No, but with so much reporting of the bad things cops do, people can forget all the good things they do. The omission of facts can lead to huge misunderstandings.
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 13:52
KingCrInuYasha wrote:
RayRo wrote:
Does anyone here actually know of the BLM's social and political positions or the mission statements from the BLM movement itself? If not, go to the BlackLivesMatter webpage and click on mission statements. You might be surprised with what they state.
Oh jeez, is it what I think it is?
No, it's not what you think it is and that's what makes it surprising.
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 13:18
Pastmaster wrote:
garfunkel wrote:
But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. Shouldn't that be there main focus? Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?
Yup, it's ridiculous. In fact, I saw a black guy complain about the whole BLM movement, and that's saying something. Also, the media only covers all the bad things done by the police and the like, when there a lot of great cops out there. The media also wants to sensationalize crimes against blacks, and probably ignores a lot of crimes against whites.
Also, no that doesn't make you racist, I agree with you.
The media doesn't have to report on cops not killing black people or cops doing good things because THAT IS THEIR JOB AND WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. Is it so difficult to grasp?
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 13:17
RayRo wrote:
Does anyone here actually know of the BLM's social and political positions or the mission statements from the BLM movement itself? If not, go to the BlackLivesMatter webpage and click on mission statements. You might be surprised with what they state.
Oh jeez, is it what I think it is?
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 13:16
garfunkel wrote:
But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. Shouldn't that be there main focus? Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?
No. Again, black on black crime is regular crime committed by criminals just like black on white or white on brown or brown on brown or yellow on purple crime. The Black Lives Matter thing is about how easy it is for police to get away with killing people when black.
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 13:13
@Triceratopsoil: I want to say that's ridiculous, but given the crazy political I've seen, it wouldn't surprise me if the media really did try to spin it like that.
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - November 13 2015 at 13:15
He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Posted: November 13 2015 at 13:11
Does anyone here actually know of the BLM's social and political positions or the mission statements from the BLM movement itself? If not, go to the BlackLivesMatter webpage and click on mission statements. You might be surprised with what they state.
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RayRo wrote:
I've seen, it wouldn't surprise me if the media really did try to spin it like that.