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Svetonio 
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
 Posted: September 19 2013 at 00:15 |
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lazland
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Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13626 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 16:00 |
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Briefly, I will second every word Dean and David said.
I started off happy in the New Suggestions team as a collab. After a little while, I simply could not keep up with the workload - it was getting harder and more time consuming than work itself, so I had to stop. Also, Svetonio, I must say it also ceased to be a pleasure. Sometimes, less is more. Please take the hint, from people who continue to keep this site going. They know what they are talking about, and they are, more importantly, right.
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DamoXt7942
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Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 08:09 |
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Almost all of artists say they need reviews or so rather than inclusion into PA.
It's more reasonable for you to suggest artists, with your reviews for their albums.  Edited by DamoXt7942 - September 12 2013 at 08:20 |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 08:08 |
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I could not give a damn about the size of the Bandcamp thread, no one bothers to read it any more now anyway. (Yes, you've broken it). Personally I no longer see the point of it, Bandcamp.com itself is more than sufficient as a repository for those links without our help. When it was carefully selecting bands of interest then there was some value to it, now it's just wallpaper and wasted space on our sever. I did not say your successes were random, bad or not Prog (though I will keep saying this until I am blue in the face - we don't add bands because they are good), I said that random luck will have success. If I randomly pick 1000 bands from Bandcamp without even listening to them there will be some bands in there that will be suitable for addition here. I will have random success. That's is simple probability. My cat could do it if she had opposable thumbs and could read and could navigate a web-browser (she is called "Mouse" so who knows?). If you had a 50% success-rate I'd still think it was no better than random flipping of a coin. To be of any value and to be worthwhile, your "hit-rate" should be 99 accepted in every 100 suggested. Seriously. If you were "in tune" with what we were looking for then you would be more successful, if you did not keep flooding us with everything you find and were more selective you would be more helpful, if you could actually follow the suggestion guidelines and provide the information we ask for then you would be more useful... and you would piss-off a lot less people.
The world record for a human being shot out of a cannon is 50.05m, somehow I don't think that will be far enough. Edited by Dean - September 12 2013 at 08:10 |
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Guldbamsen
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Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 07:54 |
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BANG!!!  Tell you what Svetonio, if you're that insisting on finding new acts to show to all of us here at PA, then I welcome you. I never said anything about the quality of the music you suggested either. I actually went out of my way to underline that aspect in my initial post, but you obviously neglected to see that. Anyway, keep up this searching - it's all fine by me. Just for the love of god: keep these recommendations in the unsigned area or bandcamp thread. If enough people start shouting about just how wonderful and amazing any of these acts are, then let's take it from there and look at an inclusion. Right now you seem to be the only person on here who wants to add them, maybe outside of the artist in question. You say you love all of the teams, but you still keep pushing all these suggestions our way like a person with obsessive compulsion disorder. What about helping out with a bio or adding some freaking albums instead?? I'm sorry if my tone is less friendly this time, but the way you insist on pursuing this issue pisses me off.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 07:33 |
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@Dean
Yes, I made Bandcamp thread that big. Is that something bad for this site? If is, then that's something new because untill now nobody have objections, on contrary - my "work" is praised by many PA' members who are open-minded. Anyway. One can check all the bands added to PA by my suggestions, and will find no one band or solo arist which is not good and "not prog at all". Sorry, but I can't accept that's only a result of "random device". That's result of great work and credits go to me and to The Teams (I LOVE THEM ALL). Actually, almost all of old bands are already in Arhives. That story is almost over, I mean, to find a hidden gem from e.g.1976. Now, we are in the middle of great new wave of Prog. This time for progressive music is like early 70s. A lot of new bands release their great debuts every day. For example, Shepherds Of Cassini from New Zealend. Some of us can't see (hear) that, and then called the new bands and artists as "bandcamp bands", "bedroom magicians", also a succesful and long term suggester is graded on rejected bands (what is imposible to not be a lot of them) not on added bands, etc. ... that's sad. P.S. please don't shoot me...
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 06:23 |
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The Bandcamp thread is 54 pages long - that's 1,063 posts - 99% of them are from you - one post=one band with hardly ever any discussion. In the New Suggestions thread it is impossible to count how many bands you have suggested because it is more than 100 in the past six months alone (100 is the maximum number the Search routine will return). In Unsigned bands you have suggested 30 different bands.
Of course you will have successes. Dumb random luck will have successes, but there are too many failures. Sorry but the current low success rate is too expensive on our collaborators time for it to continue like this. |
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 05:52 |
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Actually, it's not true. Just for record: 1)PA Forum members' comments on my threads that I posted recently at "Unsigned Bands" forum 2) There are a number of members' comments on my reccomandations at "Bandcamp reccomandations" thread, so I pick up just one 3) Widhawk's Review of the debut album by U.S. "bandcamp band" (with "name your price" releases only) added by my suggestion A number of the reviews of "~" by THE best Russian prog-rock band added by my suggestion 4) About "feedback"... One of These Days' debut, by awesome Spanish band added to Psych/Space section a week ago by my suggestion, already get 4 stars. aa
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 05:02 |
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Guldbamsen
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Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 04:59 |
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At it again eh Svetonio?
Can I just make one observation: During your little break from suggesting bands for inclusion, I noticed you posting all of these acts in either the unsigned area of PA, or the bandcamp thread. Now as far as I've been able to see, there's been exactly zero comments made in either of these threads. Not a single post commenting on how great/bad the given music is... I'm not suggesting that the music is inferior in any way, shape or form, but I am however a little concerned about the workload you keep pushing onto the teams, when you now (again) go back to your old ways of suggesting bands by the hundreds - and none of the acts you push seem to garner any positive feedback. Hell they don't receive any feedback at all whatsoever. I could understand your doings, if these acts had a following, or you'd heard them on the radio, talked to some fans about em - yet the more I see of your suggestions, the more obvious it becomes, that you're basically just looking through the bandcamp site for artists with descriptions such as 'progressive' or 'experimental'. A friendly suggestion on my behalf would be that you'd consider yourself more with the acts you've already pushed through here on PA, and maybe help trying to write bios, add albums etc etc. Help the site instead of overburdening it. From outside of all these threads of yours, I find your posts to be charming and enthusiastic, but it kinda irks me when you continue down this path, when collabs time and again have asked you to chill. Chris was very kind last time when he asked you for a fortnight's rest, but personally I think you should stop altogether. PA is infinitely more than quantity, but the way you insist on approaching it, I'm not entirely sure you agree with me. This is entirely my own sentiments on this matter. I'm not speaking anyone's mind but my own. I just think this has gone on long enough now. You don't seem to acknowledge the workload on the other side of the PA curtain - or maybe you just don't care. Either way, I find it highly disrespectful and downright stupid. There I said it.
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Svetonio
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Joined: September 20 2010 Location: Serbia Status: Offline Points: 10213 |
Posted: September 12 2013 at 00:22 |
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http://shepherdsofcassini.bandcamp.com/album/shepherds-of-cassini
Edited by Svetonio - September 12 2013 at 00:47 |
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