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The Bearded Bard 
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 Posted: November 25 2012 at 16:38 |
Well, Andrey, I agree with you, to some extent. The way you describe how you discovered the music of Renaissance is much the same way I discovered LZ, JT and GG, the three bands which music I hold closest to my heart, by going through their discography my own way and in my own pace. On the other hand, I have discovered some great music after getting recommendations also, so I wouldn't categorically rule out the possibility of falling in love with music after getting advise on where to start, where to go next and so on, with an artist. It's up to each individual how he, or she, feel it's best for them to experience new music.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: November 25 2012 at 15:12 |
 The Bearded Bard wrote:
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Well, there is no telling where one can go right or wrong. |
I.e. one should not ask for recommendations, but check them all out and find out for oneself? No, I agree, there's no telling where one can go right or wrong, but Andrew (smartpatrol) asked where to go next, and I answered him what I thought. |
Well, that's the thing - I don't think he should have. It's just like what a few people on this thread have said before: just go through the catalog casually (like me with Renaissance, which worked out), not systematically (like me with Pain of Salvation, which did not really work out). That's why I think that guy Wolfhound will have a big problem going through all the prog bands, perceiving new musical information on a regular basis without digesting it. He'll get burned out doing that and will lose interest in such an undertaking.
Andrew, just enjoy the music, man. This is the very meaning of LZ - to let people have a good time, not just hop through the albums.
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Posted: November 25 2012 at 15:07 |
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I'm thinking what I'll do know that I've listened to IV and PG is listen to HoH, sense it came between those two, then listen to their first three, and then their later three.
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The Bearded Bard
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Posted: November 25 2012 at 12:58 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Well, there is no telling where one can go right or wrong. |
I.e. one should not ask for recommendations, but check them all out and find out for oneself? No, I agree, there's no telling where one can go right or wrong, but Andrew (smartpatrol) asked where to go next, and I answered him what I thought.
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Gerinski
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Posted: November 25 2012 at 12:49 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Well, there is no telling where one can go right or wrong. E.g., I'm not quite keen on I, II and, III, though I do really enjoy IV and Houses and I kind of get PG. |
ditto
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: November 25 2012 at 10:58 |
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^ Well, there is no telling where one can go right or wrong. E.g., I'm not quite keen on I, II and, III, though I do really enjoy IV and Houses and I kind of get PG.
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Posted: November 25 2012 at 04:30 |
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I see you've checked out IV and PG, Andrew. That's probably their best ones. I would recommend you check out III next, especially if you like the acoustic parts of the albums you've already heard, but you really can't go wrong with any of their first six albums. Presence, ITtOD and Coda are good too, but I would recommend checking them out last (and also in that order).
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 19:18 |
Our young Padawan who started this thread should not overlook Presence and their most prog tune ever of "Achilles Last Stand". They were on fire on that one as they seemed to have a renewed aggressiveness after Plant's auto wreck. I never tire of that song after all these years, not to mention Tea is for One and Nobody's Fault but Mine (no matter who wrote that one). I find myself listening to Presence more than the others, mostly because of Achilles. Of Course Physical Graffiti is their Swan Song to me. For the most part you would be splitting hairs on all the albums up until the last 2 even though they are descent albums. If some other band would have recorded them, they probably would have been getting rave reviews.
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 10:03 |
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So basically most of us agree it's a good album but it's currently rated with 2.88. 
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Let me step up as a member of the apparently silent majority then and declare that I don't really like it. Well, it's okay, I gave it three stars, but I would say it's their worst studio album.
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 09:10 |
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Ok, that was a harsh assessment. But just curious....do you guys think it's a better album than anything that preceded it? |
No, but it's definitely miles better than Coda.
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Definitely. No comparison really. I probably prefer it to I and II as well. |
So basically most of us agree it's a good album but it's currently rated with 2.88.
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 07:00 |
sagichim wrote:
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Ok, that was a harsh assessment. But just curious....do you guys think it's a better album than anything that preceded it? |
No, but it's definitely miles better than Coda.
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Definitely. No comparison really. I probably prefer it to I and II as well.
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 03:50 |
I really like it as well  Then again, there are bands that I just love without any shadow of doubt - and beyond reasoning. Ok maybe Zep isn't the best example, but I wouldn't think twice about awarding every Doors album with 5 stars - yes also The Soft Parade. Same with every Black Sabbath release up until Sabotage. Every note, lyric and atmosphere is ingrained in my mind and I can't for the life of me find any fault with any of it. Which is why I don't review them - too close and personal to be interesting. I think there are a lot of people who feel the same way about a band like Zep. That 7headedchicken reviewer here at PA obviously knows what I'm on about. Look at his distribution of 5 stars....
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 03:43 |
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Ok, that was a harsh assessment. But just curious....do you guys think it's a better album than anything that preceded it? |
No, but it's definitely miles better than Coda.
I really like it.
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 03:32 |
 Aaaaaarrrgh stop it now you mad fruit you!
And don't listen to him Andrew! Pears are notorious Stones fans. I want you back on the street in a jiffy in your finest and most skimpiest latex dress!
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 03:21 |
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just don't get like I did where you're selling your body on the streets for Zep bootleg $ ... 'course that's when boots were double LPs with full-color gatefolds and colored vinyl
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 03:12 |
I know these threads always get people talking about the band and the different albums, but I must confess that I feel younglins should find their own way through a band like Zep. No offence Andrew, you're a good kid - but you should do your own thing - just like you do your music. "Finding one's own path" (cue Yoda) is the way you come across diamonds in the rough, and years from now you'll be singing some obscure maligned Zep tracks praises.
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 03:07 |
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Buy Houses of the Holy if you want them at their proggiest, LZIII is you want them at their most acoustic, LZI if you want them at their bluesiest, and Physical Graffiti if you want their quintessence. LZII, although revered by many, is not a favorite of mine. It's good, but it can wait until later. Same with Presence, unless you really go for their epic tracks, in which case you might want it just for "Achilles Last Stand". In Through the Out Door and Coda should be your last two purchases.
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 02:03 |
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Ok, that was a harsh assessment. But just curious....do you guys think it's a better album than anything that preceded it?
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Yes, Houses for one : ITtOD sounds much more complete and unified to me, not to mention that incredible studio sound they'd perfected by then. In many ways it is their production peak. Further, it showed a real advancement and, if you'll
forgive, progression as well as an interesting new period
for them when much of the composing & arranging was done by JPJ and
Bonzo with Page on harmonic support and Plant adding elegant vocals;
the first album after the death of Plant's son; and their last real
studio LP (as Coda was outtakes).
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Posted: November 24 2012 at 01:01 |
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I've always thought Presence was their weakest album.
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Gerinski
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Posted: November 23 2012 at 23:17 |
Finnforest wrote:
Ok, that was a harsh assessment. But just curious....do you guys think it's a better album than anything that preceded it? |
Well this will sound heretic to some but I prefer In Through The Out Door than I or III (I'm not too keen on blues-rock you know, although I reckon II and IV are really brilliant albums).
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