Bacon!

I never fry bacon in oil/lard/grease - If you buy decent bacon, you don't need any additional fat in the pan; just get the pan very hot & you'll get perfectly cooked bacon every time.

And wherever the debate between HDL/LDL/Transfat/triglycerides etc is going, the bottom line is none of it is essentially dangerous. What is dangerous is eating any of the above to excess... just as it is with any kind of foods, be they fatty, sugary or even (gasp) low fat "healthy" foods.

Eat exactly what you like, just eat less of it - I get pi**ed off with the media trying to portray the food industry as this corporate monster responsible for worldwide (well, certain parts of the western worldwide, anyway) obesity... the only thing which causes obesity (except in a very few cases of glandular disorders) is a lack of restraint & the ignorance of the wobbling classes.

Right!

Rant over...

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I am now going to have a cigarette

Edited by Jim Garten - June 15 2012 at 06:44

darkshade wrote: Alright, after that heap of bacon and cholesterol debate, I think it's time for dessert.And of course, deep-fried bacon wrapped Twinkies.

Hmm, these things aren't real, right?

I know Jack in the Box had a bacon flavour milkshake....

Edited by Blacksword - June 15 2012 at 04:18

All righty then... let me tell you about fructose, which is half of  sucrose (table sugar).    J/K lets not go there.

 Number one thing to realize is that dietary cholesterol does not normally raise blood cholesterol. It just does not matter how much cholesterol you eat. It just does not matter how much cholesterol is in a food item.

 Number two thing to realize( its actually more important) is there is almost no evidence that having a high blood cholesterol level increases you risk of heart attack. For women, it's an absolute... there is ZERO evidence that women should be worried about cholesterol. All modern studies are showing it just isn't a factor in predicting heart disease for any of us. We also now know that high cholesterol levels are desirable for the elderly as they greatly reduce risk of Alzheimers and other brain degenerative diseases. Did you all know that your brain is mostly made of cholesterol? Or that every single cell in your body uses cholesterol in its cellular walls? Or that cholesterol is so damn important to your health that every cell in your body has the capability of making it?

 For those of you who are genuinely concerned about your heart health the blood numbers you want to look at are your  HDL to Triglyceride  ratio. Dividing your triglycerides with your HDL should get you a number of 2 or less. more than that and you'd better  start looking into it.

 Another thing to look into for those of you that care is that "LDL" does not tell the whole story. there are actually two types of LDL (so called bad cholesterol) that get lumped together in the testing because its too expensive to test individually.  One type of LDL is small and dense and the other type is bulky and not dense. 


 There is way to much info to put in here but if anyone is interested you can PM  me about it. Im not a DR btw, all I can do is to point you to the appropriate research to look into things for yourself. Eat well :)

I'm so hungry right now. 

Tapfret wrote: Dean wrote: Meat and cheese do not contain carbohydrates. The carbs are in the bun, the fries and the sugars in the tomato sauce... Cheese, like all dairy products do contain carbohydrates. Mind you the protein/carb ratio is high. Remember milk's purpose is to feed the offspring of whatever creature it comes from and requires some sort of sugar. Meat, except liver and processed meats, are carb free. (muscle=protein and fat)

A heated argument about bacon?  Must be Prog Archives.  

Dean wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Dean wrote: Gaaahhh!!! Bacon is not 100% LDL, it is not PURE LDL - it is 31 mg in 28300mg of "meat" - it is 0.1% LDL What I meant is that doesn't have HDL Cholesterol The problem is that you eat the bacon fried, and that increases even more the LDL (Remember, even vegetable oil saturates when fried). That's the problem that USA has on children obesity, they eat a lot of LDL  cholesterol saturated food (Burgers, bacon fried eggs, etc). Iván Please Iván, I know you mean well and have all the right intentions but this misinformation just proliferates fallacies that, while they do no harm and can have a positive benefits, are still not correct.   Heating unsaturated fats at very high temperatures does change their molecular structure - what they do not do is become saturated - to saturate fat you need to add more hydrogen to the chain of carbon atoms - heat alone does not do this.   Eating high cholesterol foods does not cause obesity and does not result in high cholesterol levels. Eating too much anything causes obesity, obesity is caused by excessive calorie consumption - whether that is saturated or unsaturated fat, protein, sugars, starches - whatever, eat too many calories and you body tries to store the excess as fat. Obesity causes many problems, high cholesterol levels is one of them, diabetes is another - the causal direction is that obesity induces high cholesterol, not that high cholesterol causes obesity.

Epignosis wrote: darkshade wrote: Parents let their children eat that stuff as early as age 2!!!! Children should not be be allowed to eat anything like that until they're in first grade or something, and even then, it should be very moderate. I don't care if it's homemade for from MACdonalds. My daughter ate fatback before she was a year old.

I just meant on a regular basis.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Dean wrote: Gaaahhh!!! Bacon is not 100% LDL, it is not PURE LDL - it is 31 mg in 28300mg of "meat" - it is 0.1% LDL What I meant is that doesn't have HDL Cholesterol The problem is that you eat the bacon fried, and that increases even more the LDL (Remember, even vegetable oil saturates when fried). That's the problem that USA has on children obesity, they eat a lot of LDL  cholesterol saturated food (Burgers, bacon fried eggs, etc). Iván

Please Iván, I know you mean well and have all the right intentions but this misinformation just proliferates fallacies that, while they do no harm and can have a positive benefits, are still not correct.

Edited by Dean - June 14 2012 at 12:31