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Posted: June 03 2012 at 00:49
^Crime of the century is fully prog to me in the way that Toto is in the sense that they pull in and out of prog, and many of their melodies are structured in a similar way to most prog. But everyone seems to always say that "if X is prog, then Y is prog" arguments aren't valid. What I can say though is that both those bands sound at least prog-related to meemee.
And imo if a group releases one album that is pure badass prog and 6 albums of Coldplay and Justin Beiber mix medleys, they should still be at least in prog related haha
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Posted: June 03 2012 at 00:12
Better worlds is pure prog, mindfields is a hell of an album. An nobody on here can truely say that breakfast in america (the entire album) is even close to being prog yet supertramp made it on here. Crime of the century is also not fully prog. I love supertramp but my point is, if they are prog then toto is just as proggy as they are.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 17:51
*Seriouslly with that song alone they should at least be in prog related... I want to hear someone explain how that song isn't at least HEAVILY influenced by prog. And while parts of the song don't sound completely prog, I feel like it's pretty much impossible to say this is not prog-related.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 17:42
Toto seems to be that middle ground where they aren't quite a prog band, but they certainly aren't Aerosmith or Journey... but I think that would make them prog-related. I don't see why they wouldn't be.
I adore Joy Division, but I can't see them featured here either - even if I can spot the openly art work eccentricities Closer had. Progressive in the same sense as Dead Can Dance were in the 80s although sounding completely different.
aren't dead can dance in PA ?
Yep, but I think that's because of the path they decided to go when they did Aieon and Into the Labyrinth, but I am only making a guess here.
Within the Realm of a Dying Sun is what I personally consider as progressive music and ten times more forward thinking and timeless than what came later, - of course only my opinion though, but it ain't prog rock.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 11:57
I wouldn't mind seeing them under Prog Related and many more seem to have the same opinion.
I don't remember any other band suggested or referenced on PA as often as Toto and have often wondered who/what stops them for being here. Apparently it's the few individuals of the prog teams against the abundant non-team members - I respect this procedure by the way, but it's very strange in this case that they are not here.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 11:55
I wouldn't mind seeing them under Prog Related and many more seems to have the same opinion.
I don't remember any other band suggested or referenced on PA as often as Toto and have often wondered who/what stops them for being here. Apparently it's the few individuals of the prog teams against the abundant non-team members - I respect this procedure by the way, but it's very strange in this case that they are not here.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 11:43
i did not start this thread i only post videos and write objectivly about thier musical abilaty not thier prog apeal or not,, i just like the band but i don't think they are fully prog, but a band with occational prog songs, and with a groop of musicians which is on level with a good prog band, but are not prog per see, and i have never said so ether, they are an eclectic rock band but not a prog rock band,
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 11:41
Guldbamsen wrote:
I adore Joy Division, but I can't see them featured here either - even if I can spot the openly art work eccentricities Closer had. Progressive in the same sense as Dead Can Dance were in the 80s although sounding completely different.
aren't dead can dance in PA ?
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Also a fan, but I don't think they belong on here. Sorry Agi, but that's how I feel. I adore Joy Division, but I can't see them featured here either - even if I can spot the openly art work eccentricities Closer had. Progressive in the same sense as Dead Can Dance were in the 80s although sounding completely different.
With Toto, I just feel they are too much of a straight up rock band, and a brilliant one at that.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 11:30
we are awere of our loyalty towards Toto, the album Tambu is a interesting listen to those interested in a bit different Toto album pretty eclectic and dark,
Kingdom of Desire even darker and grittier, some awesome, almoust grungy riffs, and soem airy sound as well, pretty epic in hole, and mix of hard rock, aor, heavy prog, well eh grunge, and jazz fusion
from 90s onwards Toto is more ambitious and eclectic, and more indi-band, by the way they create album more after teir own interest not after what record companies or the public wants, the four albums from 1992, to 2006 are the more progy albums overall, in terms of progy aproach,but also the 80s albums and the two 70s albume (who is a edgyer versions of Steely Dan, ), are more varied but also more refiened and sophisticated but with a goal to show what they ar e made of, jumping from album to album and change style and sound between each album which sort of alinated them, couse they could change styles on a whim, on a blink and genres, often incorporates 4-5 styles of music on each album, they play rock, pop, soul, funk, jazz, blues, country, fusion,prog, new-wave, movie score, effortlessly,
I know if they wanted to they could carbon copy any Yes track and play it as good as Yes, (a good session musiciian should be able to do so), or Genesis for that matter, I think they even could do Crimson with some small changes
look at their take on Beatles, Cream, Elton John and Stevie Wonder
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 08:57
Well, it is a tricky case. They are AOR-related for sure, but it is unquestionable that they are also prog-related (they have one or two overtly prog songs on each album, and most of their members played in prog rock projects, during prog's heydays or during prog's revival).
I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the prog-related section of PA. And as Cédric recalled, they were discussed several times for inclusion, which means that a lot of prog afficionados believe they have something related to prog.
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Posted: June 02 2012 at 06:59
Sounds cool!
In my experience, suggesting a band for Prog Related in the forum like this is highly likely to have absolutely no result. As has been pointed out above, Toto have been suggested several times before and nothing has happened. I don’t know this band, and will not take a stand until I have heard more of their material, but I can advise you, if you really mean business with your suggestion, that you will need to find a special collaborator who is willing to support the case and have him or her send a private message to one of the admins. Otherwise, this thread will very quickly go the same way as all of those other ones about Toto – i.e. into oblivion.
(And I absolutely do not mean this as a critique of the site or the admins, they do a great job. I’m just saying that if one wants something done, one has to be active and persistent)
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