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Sagichim 
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 Posted: April 17 2012 at 16:26 |
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What I mean is that today's mixing and mastering have a lot of compression, while in the 70's the mixing was much more dynamic, it's not because of the vinyl, it's due to how things were done back then. I'm sorry my previous post wasn't written well, my bad. But you see what I mean now.
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Dean
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 15:30 |
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^ Yes me too, I would always prefer to hear 70's stuff in vinyls, dynamic is much wider and it just sounds better (to my ears at least). I also prefer the mixing in the 70's (of course there are more than some crapy ones) to the mixing done today. I feel today there is to much analizing to the instruments and to the overall mix. |
How do you mean "dynamic is much wider"? From a technical aspect vinyl does not have the dynamic range (volume) of CD and it has poorer channel seperation (width) than CD or tape, there is nothing inherrent in the vinyl medium that would create any objective measure that could be referred to as wider dynamic. I accept that it sounds better to your ears, and I don't mind totally subjective reasoning for preferring vinyl over CD or tape. I too prefer vinyl over tape and CD because it is asthetically pleasing from a purely engineering perspective to see sound being produced from grooves in plastic platter using something as primative as a needle connected to an electromagnet - for a 135 year old invention it is a marvel that it is still so respected today.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 15:03 |
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Why can't I vote in this poll?
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The Quiet One
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 14:29 |
Computer Speakers and my Room Stereo, first and foremost.
I try to avoid earplugs/headphones, but I do have my seasons where I listen to a lot to my MP3. Mind you, I realize that a lot of stuff sounds better with headphones, lots of details you can't hear on PC speakers or even in my room.
I still do not drive, but I love choosing the CD's for the car. I can't wait to listen to my stuff on the road!
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tamijo
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 14:21 |
PC headphones (when wife wanna watch TV)
PC & home stereo (when wify not........)
Car stereo (when .....) USB or CD
PC speakers (when at work) USB
Very rare - Vinyl or CD + home stereo (usualy not even connected my turnable, a question of limited space)
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Sagichim
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 14:08 |
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^ Yes me too, I would always prefer to hear 70's stuff in vinyls, dynamic is much wider and it just sounds better (to my ears at least). I also prefer the mixing in the 70's (of course there are more than some crapy ones) to the mixing done today. I feel today there is to much analizing to the instruments and to the overall mix.
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Catcher10
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 13:46 |
Its a personal choice. I will always listen to vinyl, if its available on vinyl that's what I buy. CDs to me are overpriced for what you get, very bad pressings of overly compressed recordings that lead to listener fatigue...at least for me anyhow.
There are many, many vinyl issues that sound better than CDs. All my Porcupine Tree sound better than the CDs, but I blame Steven Wilson since he is so obsessed with sound quality. Hence everyone wants him to mix and/or remaster their recordings.
Since I listen to Prog Rock/R&B/Jazz/Prog Metal......once the music starts I never hear any pop, crackle......Distorted guitars, drumming, synths and everything else covers a slight pop everyonce in awhile.
Now if I was a classical music listener...probably do CD or Digital only so I can hear all those quiet passages undisturbed....but I am not.
All of my early Rush albums still sound pretty damn good....but I am a fanatic for taking care of my vinyl and always use better than average equipment and keep everything aligned as close to perfect as possible.
But that's just me......!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 09:46 |
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^bad sound. Scratches. Crackles. Pops. When CD was invented I was truly happier.
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Sagichim
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 09:41 |
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^ Why can't you stand vinyl?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 09:11 |
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I don't have an option for me here. My micro system, though I have a "proper" stereo too. Can't stand vinyl.
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mono
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 08:59 |
1. Full sized headphones (BeyerDynamics) 2. Studio Monitors (Mackie MR series) 3. Bluetooth speakers (Parrot Boombox, with guests, party...)
and yes, I can actually play prog when other people are around.
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https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects
https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: April 16 2012 at 02:33 |
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If I could vote I would vote headphones - I need my privacy! And I dont wanna miss a thing
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 23:27 |
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Technically, none of the above. My computer is my main entertainment center, but "computer speakers" is disparaging. Granted they're M-Audio AV-40s, but going through a 24-bit, 192 kHz interface is not like sh*tty laptop speakers. But I don't listen to other band's music all that much these days anyway.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 22:35 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I listen to prog on methamphetamine. |
Me too - helps me blend in at the gym. Everybody's doing it, so why can't I listen to Amon Düül ll whilst benching? |
Do you guys actually mean what you are saying?
On the topic: earbuds & MP3, even though it did cost me some of the hearing ability in the past.
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Try going to the gym and blending in without meth. Not possible.
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Single Coil
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 20:14 |
Wow... great answers. Thanks everyone! I really should have included "vinyl" as a distinct option on the poll.
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If it's worth playing, it's worth playing loud!
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:57 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I listen to prog on methamphetamine. |
Me too - helps me blend in at the gym. Everybody's doing it, so why can't I listen to Amon Düül ll whilst benching? |
Do you guys actually mean what you are saying?
On the topic: earbuds & MP3, even though it did cost me some of the hearing ability in the past.
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Flyingsod
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 18:26 |
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I'm not good enough to vote in your poll apparently but, most of my prog is on vinyl. That is largely because my mind could never justify the cost of buying a cd which contains music I already have on vinyl. So while 50% of my listening is done on the road, the prog is mostly played on my semi high end home stereo.
Holy Moly, tape some pennies on the stylus. Or if you live in a rural area you may have to use a stack of nickles.
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Dean
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 17:05 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 16:28 |
High end audio gear with 90% being VINYL OF COURSE
NAD C356BEE amp, Grant Fidelity TubeDAC11, Audio Technica LP120 w/AT440MLa, Epos Epic 2 speakers and ZuneHD 32GB for non vinyl listening.
Edited by Catcher10 - April 15 2012 at 16:29
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 13:25 |
colorofmoney91 wrote:
I listen to prog on methamphetamine. |
Me too - helps me blend in at the gym. Everybody's doing it, so why can't I listen to Amon Düül ll whilst benching?
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