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Poll Question: do you think poaching and hunting of animals is bad
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The current estimate is that there are currently 20 wolves in the whole of France.
 
I have no idea how many sheep French farmers own - lets make a conservative estimate and say lots. Lots more than 20.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2012 at 16:24
So replace mother with pissed off farmer. 
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2012 at 03:38
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


In fact, we could even "skip the cow" and eat the cereals that they are feed with. It would even cost less in regard to the huge quantity of water used to feed the cows and to make burgers, steaks, etc.

Oh, and when one has a problem of deer overpopulation, just hire a professional, skilled, made-for-it hunter: THE WOLF.

And I'm not exactly joking here.


That was where I was going next.

Yeah the problem with the wolf is that mothers get upset when one wonders into the yard and mauls her child.


Yeah, but, well, you know the problems with mothers (and fathers! No one ever thinks about fathers mourning the loss of said children) : they always want to raise their offspring far from the Town, its pollution and its malicious influence, and they don't stop asking for living in the Big Nature, close to the nearest forest... AND THEN THEY MEET THE BEAR.

Anyway, in France and in Italy, the sole victims of the wolves are sheeps, not humans.
I guess that either the sheep are easier to hunt, or their meat has a better taste than human flesh.
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I am ok with the hunting of humans. After all, talk about over population!
One day when I own an island I'll have a reef to crash ships and hunt the people stranded, "The Most Dangerous Game" style!

Now that'd be a thrill
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:


In fact, we could even "skip the cow" and eat the cereals that they are feed with. It would even cost less in regard to the huge quantity of water used to feed the cows and to make burgers, steaks, etc.

Oh, and when one has a problem of deer overpopulation, just hire a professional, skilled, made-for-it hunter: THE WOLF.

And I'm not exactly joking here.


That was where I was going next.

Yeah the problem with the wolf is that mothers get upset when one wonders into the yard and mauls her child.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Points: 5319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2012 at 14:35
The problem with the wolf is nobody seems to want them around. Not many animals are exterminated more than the wolf.
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2012 at 12:47
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The food argument won't cut it anymore.

Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. 

We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine.

In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES.

So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



What's the difference between hunting a deer and raising a cow to be slaughtered?

Animals are obviously meant to eat each other. You cannot survive without taking life. So my argument is simple. In today's world, farming seems more structured, profesisonal and humane than small-scale hunting. Although treatment of farm animals has been dreadful, it is improving, and on the whole, farms can produce a lot more food with a lot less problems for the ecosystem. Hunting between animals is necessary, but now that we humans are at the top of the food chain and we have the means to survive without hunting, I really don't see it as necessary or fulfilling in any way.



Is it necessary to eat cows? What if its more human and ecofriendly to only raise chickens? You're not really answering my question, you're just embedding your value system into it.

In PA, I'm sure the ecosystem benefits more from hunting the hugely overpopulated deer than from going through the costly process of raising a cow.


In fact, we could even "skip the cow" and eat the cereals that they are feed with. It would even cost less in regard to the huge quantity of water used to feed the cows and to make burgers, steaks, etc.

Oh, and when one has a problem of deer overpopulation, just hire a professional, skilled, made-for-it hunter: THE WOLF.

And I'm not exactly joking here.
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Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The food argument won't cut it anymore.

Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. 

We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine.

In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES.

So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



What's the difference between hunting a deer and raising a cow to be slaughtered?

Animals are obviously meant to eat each other. You cannot survive without taking life. So my argument is simple. In today's world, farming seems more structured, profesisonal and humane than small-scale hunting. Although treatment of farm animals has been dreadful, it is improving, and on the whole, farms can produce a lot more food with a lot less problems for the ecosystem. Hunting between animals is necessary, but now that we humans are at the top of the food chain and we have the means to survive without hunting, I really don't see it as necessary or fulfilling in any way.



Is it necessary to eat cows? What if its more human and ecofriendly to only raise chickens? You're not really answering my question, you're just embedding your value system into it.

In PA, I'm sure the ecosystem benefits more from hunting the hugely overpopulated deer than from going through the costly process of raising a cow.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Points: 7026 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2012 at 07:31
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

 ^ I think that's a movie


This one comes close:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cook,_the_Thief,_His_Wife_%26_Her_Lover
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2012 at 04:28
Originally posted by caretaker caretaker wrote:

Couldn't answer the poll question because of the way it was presented so I'll just say poaching bad, hunting good when done responsibly. A guy from Cuba told me that over there when a poacher is caught, two guys on horseback chased him through the cane field beating him with the flat side of a sword. Sounds fitting.


That sounds like a scene from a telenovela set in the 19th century, but I could be wrong.
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It's not a cooking method I practice or am fond of.  When it comes to the other meaning, of course not.  When it comes to hunting for food, no problem.
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Couldn't answer the poll question because of the way it was presented so I'll just say poaching bad, hunting good when done responsibly. A guy from Cuba told me that over there when a poacher is caught, two guys on horseback chased him through the cane field beating him with the flat side of a sword. Sounds fitting.
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Points: 10841 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2012 at 18:37
Oh, let's eat each other, and to hell with this poll! 
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2012 at 18:43
How about we take people who like to kill endangered species for sport, kill them, cook them in a liquid bath, and feed them to wild animals?
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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2012 at 17:45
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

If not endangered and for the purpose of food, sure.

I agree, but I don't like turning living animals into dead ones personally.
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Points: 22774 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2012 at 17:18
I won't vote because it depends on the type of animal and why it's being killed. If not endangered and for the purpose of food, sure. But murdering elephants and dolphins or whatever is totally not okay.
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 ^ I think that's a movie
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What about hunting cooks who poach foods?
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Points: 34083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2012 at 14:06
to quote Spiderman, "with great power comes great responibilaty" 

i did not meen to conuse in the introducution question but while i made it lots of topics came to mind not only poaching for endagerd animals but also trophy hunting, rich people invest in trips to Africa or India or other places to shoot animals just for own satisfactiory reasons  that i think is wrong
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by thehallway thehallway wrote:

The food argument won't cut it anymore.

Obviously, nature works in such a way that you survive by eating other living things. Fine. 

We used to hunt to be able to survive. Fine.

In 2012, can any human on the planet (minus tribes) survive without hunting? YES.

So, we don't need to do it anymore. If we shared what we farmed properly, the world actually has TOO MUCH food.

And, obviously, taking away anything's life just for fun or sport, is ridiculous.



What's the difference between hunting a deer and raising a cow to be slaughtered?

Animals are obviously meant to eat each other. You cannot survive without taking life. So my argument is simple. In today's world, farming seems more structured, profesisonal and humane than small-scale hunting. Although treatment of farm animals has been dreadful, it is improving, and on the whole, farms can produce a lot more food with a lot less problems for the ecosystem. Hunting between animals is necessary, but now that we humans are at the top of the food chain and we have the means to survive without hunting, I really don't see it as necessary or fulfilling in any way.


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