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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 10:27
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

I like the first Asia album enormously, but only that album. The rest I don't care for.

Asia are for me only a supergroup in the sense that it was a band that had been formed by musicians that were already well known. Like ELP, Transatlantic, and outside prog: Blind Faith. For me it says nothing about the qualities of the music. Of course, record companies might like to make you believe that big names means big music, but it doesn't always work that way. So I would like to avoid the word supergroup myself: it's confusing.




I think the all star concept in jazz is more relevant than 'supergroups' in rock.   Barring ELP and UK, supergroups have rarely done anything I found amazing. I guess you could sort of call National Health a supergroup and they were very good too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 07:25
i call them superdupergroup from now
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 07:00
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...Tongue

Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.

Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups.

Being a band that you like is not part of the definition. Asia is also a "true" supergroup. In fact more of a true supergroup than Transatlantic or LTE as the musicians in Asia were actually famous.

They were a true prog supergroup, that there was really little prog going on there was really disappointing to me at the time when they formed.


I'm not saying the were "Prog" Supergroup. Just a plain supergroup. It's a lame word when you think about it. Let's not say it again.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 06:46
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...Tongue

Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.

Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups.

Being a band that you like is not part of the definition. Asia is also a "true" supergroup. In fact more of a true supergroup than Transatlantic or LTE as the musicians in Asia were actually famous.

They were a true prog supergroup, that there was really little prog going on there was really disappointing to me at the time when they formed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 05:56
Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...Tongue

Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.

Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups.

Being a band that you like is not part of the definition. Asia is also a "true" supergroup. In fact more of a true supergroup than Transatlantic or LTE as the musicians in Asia were actually famous.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 05:02
I like the first Asia album enormously, but only that album. The rest I don't care for.

Asia are for me only a supergroup in the sense that it was a band that had been formed by musicians that were already well known. Like ELP, Transatlantic, and outside prog: Blind Faith. For me it says nothing about the qualities of the music. Of course, record companies might like to make you believe that big names means big music, but it doesn't always work that way. So I would like to avoid the word supergroup myself: it's confusing.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2011 at 04:05
Asia were full of awe and vice versa (mostly).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 19:03
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:59
I'm on the side of Asia being the rubble rather than rising from it.  It was the heat of the vomit...Dead  I kept following the old greats as they descended into commercialitis, but then I just lost interest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 18:29
If those radio singles had been put out by anyone else but that particular "supergroup", it definitely would be a step above the mainstream of the early 80s, but with Wetton, Palmer, Downes and Howe we expected more....man, did they ever underutilize their talents.
 
Asia....a greater waste of natural resources than a '78 Cadillac.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 16:26
Originally posted by yanch yanch wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...Tongue

Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.

Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups.

Indeed!  I also have wondered what the aborted "XYZ" (ex-Zepplin, ex-Yes) project might have sounded like.  Could have been interesting!  Or not!  

"Zappa Plays Zappa" is a contemporary twist on the "supergroup" concept and well worth the price of admission!  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 15:52
I still like the debut album and downloaded both their recent albums (Phoenix and Omega) which have some very acceptable songs to me.Not a progressive rock band but of course its not necessary for everything to be ''progressive''.(honest)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 05:32
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Asia *are* the rubble of prog rock...Tongue

Absolutely. Never liked them. I had such high expectations given the line up and the bands these guys came from, but the music, for me, was bland formulaic, corporate rock. I don't begrudge them making money, but to put out that music given that talent was a waste. I wouldn't put them in a top 10 of supergroups.

Bands like UK, Transatlantic, Liquid Tension Experiment, Cream are your true supergroups.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2011 at 02:53
I admired (but didn't love) the song-writing on the 1st Asia album - these were premeditated radio salvoes all brilliantly crafted and arranged for maximum consumption. Say what you like about a band you could be forgiven for thinking was designed by suits, it was for a short while, brilliant pop music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 22:44
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

what about UK they are a quite good supergroup, i would say with one very good album comprised of members of previous bands, 

Yes, thanks, I sure agree!!  They put on an AMAZING show!  The ability of Wetton to play very complicated bass lines while singing was just uncanny!  He was one of the very best at that skill! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 22:32
Asia? Bland boring pablum.  They deserved the famous review that was given to GTR.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 20:59
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I never cared for Asia, as a band or a continent.

Now that is simply uneducated......some of the best food in the world comes from Asia!!!!Thumbs UpBig smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 20:58
I am all for these artists to make money, I hope they make a gazillion $$.........but because of the style of music they play to accomplish this, some people label them sellouts or simply....pop music.....and so the purists do not give them the time of day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 20:57

I never cared for Asia, as a band or a continent.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2011 at 19:40
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

I would, certainly as a "super group" as I understand the phrase.

I've always liked Asia.
 
I don't disagree, to be honest.
 
But we have to really decide that just because it is a "supergroup" and it has people that are famous, that it is also "progressive" and deserves the credit and the reputation.
 
I am not sure that they deserve that, because unlike the originals they were a part of, by comparison this was just songs for the populace and a chance for some of those folks to make some money. Goodness .. didn't Picasso, Cocteau and Satie do a play on two on the stage with their own work? ... so what?
 
You gotta be jaded, when you have worked for 10, 15 years, not made a penny, have a wife and a kid, and you don't have a house ... so helping get some money is probably a good thing, and I would not object, and neither would you.
 
Some of the "purist" thinking is scary ... but it should not be the definition of "progressive".
 
Again, a "style" is NOT a process, and thus the definition of this is invalid for music history. Style is a RESULT, of what was done, and in this case the combination of folks and work. And it is mostly an academic and commercial definition for the sake of education and money and has nothing to do with the music itself!
 
The group is fine and the music is fine. But I prefer Tales, and Close to the Edge ... etc, etc ...


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