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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2011 at 08:04
I just heard Bin Laden had pot growing outside the walls of his compound. Smoke
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

To Bush's credit...near the end he did become a bit more assertive about things, in general.
He was also not nearly the neo con he's made out to be but hey...when you're a weak president you cave to whatever people want from you!

After getting to know more real fanatics in US politics, it's clear Bush, though a neo-con, wasn't really one of the most horrendous ones. But he was surrounded by many of them.


Yeah, I remember he was the "compassionate conservative" and considered a moderate in the party and overall "light". I dont think he was much of a neo con but as its been said..he was surrounded by them. Cheney, Rove, Rummy, Rice. And we know how....uh "open" he was. Pretty hands off LOL  OH! And Wolfowitz...that evil b*****d.

Used to think the same of Powell but I do honestly think he was forced by pressures around him. At the very least I do kind of like him overall. Wow this hasn't gotten far off the OP! But yeah, over time my personal beliefs of Bush changed, and am just glad the neo con experiment is over!

And Marktheshark...you are 100% right about that. Sadly, I borderline think Cheney was evil LOL  in fact I know as of late he gave a small bit of flak to Wubya about going "soft" in the last 2 years. Kinda ties in


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Points: 65606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2011 at 18:46
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Points: 1695 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2011 at 18:41
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:


Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:



Bobcat Goldthwait once said about Ronald Reagan:
"blaming Ronald Reagan for the state of the country is kinda like blaming Ronald McDonald when you get a bad cheeseburger."

The same could be said about Bush.
yes and no; it's true the president has little direct impact on the country in general (which is probably what the FFs intended), but it incorrectly assumes that who the President is as an individual is not important.  Ronald Regan the person/politician had a huge effect on the mood and direction things took in the 1980s.

Why he was called the Great Communicator, for better or worse.
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

Bobcat Goldthwait once said about Ronald Reagan:
"blaming Ronald Reagan for the state of the country is kinda like blaming Ronald McDonald when you get a bad cheeseburger."
The same could be said about Bush.


yes and no; it's true the president has little direct impact on the country in general (which is probably what the FFs intended), but it incorrectly assumes that who the President is as an individual is not important.  Ronald Regan the person/politician had a huge effect on the mood and direction things took in the 1980s.
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Points: 1695 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2011 at 17:45
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:


Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

To Bush's credit...near the end he did become a bit more assertive about things, in general. He was also not nearly the neo con he's made out to be but hey...when you're a weak president you cave to whatever people want from you!

After getting to know more real fanatics in US politics, it's clear Bush, though a neo-con, wasn't really one of the most horrendous ones. But he was surrounded by many of them.

Karl Rove more than any of them. What a puppetmaster he was.

Cheney was a different story, he was the "experienced" brains behind Bush and although I didn't exactly agree with everything he said, I did admire his no-nonsense, cut-to-the-chase demeanor. He didn't give a crap about PC, he just said it, and that's it.
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News this evening (at least it’s evening here in Greece):

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/un-rights-investigators-seek-facts-bin-laden-death-104814132.html
 
It's high time the U.S. stops funding the majority of the UN budget. The UN is about as useless as tits on a bull.
 
In other news, kill a terrorist = a drop in gas prices. Line up a few more and I can take out my '98 Cadillac I've had  mothballed in the garage for the last six months. Wink
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News this evening (at least it’s evening here in Greece):

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/un-rights-investigators-seek-facts-bin-laden-death-104814132.html
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Bush's legacy is that of Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld, truly nasty minds. His presidency became more palatable when he moved toward center, including letting the military leadership actually make its own decisions instead of untrained rich fools.
 
Bush himself probably could have looked many different ways depending on who was surrounding him.
100% true. He wasn't the authoritarian some people say he was, but he was surrounded by some of the worst. Precisely because he wasn't authoritarian, he let himself be run by some that were. 
Bobcat Goldthwait once said about Ronald Reagan:
"blaming Ronald Reagan for the state of the country is kinda like blaming Ronald McDonald when you get a bad cheeseburger."
The same could be said about Bush.
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Bush's legacy is that of Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld, truly nasty minds. His presidency became more palatable when he moved toward center, including letting the military leadership actually make its own decisions instead of untrained rich fools.
 
Bush himself probably could have looked many different ways depending on who was surrounding him.
100% true. He wasn't the authoritarian some people say he was, but he was surrounded by some of the worst. Precisely because he wasn't authoritarian, he let himself be run by some that were. 
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Points: 5210 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2011 at 12:07
Bush's legacy is that of Cheney, Rove, Ashcroft and Rumsfeld, truly nasty minds. His presidency became more palatable when he moved toward center, including letting the military leadership actually make its own decisions instead of untrained rich fools.
 
Bush himself probably could have looked many different ways depending on who was surrounding him.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2011 at 11:43
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

At least the navy seal team  finally got the f**ker. I laughed out loud at that cartoon though.

Hope Al Queda doesn't put out a contract on the artist. Remember that Danish cartoonist?

1) Al Qaeda can't put a contract on anybody. That organization is a shadow of its former self and has been so for the last 5 years. 

2) Osama, after all, is no Mohammed, which is the guy whose depiction caused the issue of the Danish cartoonist. I'd actually love to have a cartoon with both of them side by side, Osama and his mentor the un-paintable one. 
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

To Bush's credit...near the end he did become a bit more assertive about things, in general.
He was also not nearly the neo con he's made out to be but hey...when you're a weak president you cave to whatever people want from you!

After getting to know more real fanatics in US politics, it's clear Bush, though a neo-con, wasn't really one of the most horrendous ones. But he was surrounded by many of them.
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Points: 6898 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2011 at 10:10
At least the navy seal team  finally got the f**ker. I laughed out loud at that cartoon though.

Hope Al Queda doesn't put out a contract on the artist. Remember that Danish cartoonist?
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2011 at 02:07
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

If by 'weak' you mean the worst judgment ever possessed by any U.S. President, then yeah



Well, that certainly is a major side effect of being weak LOL
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If by 'weak' you mean the worst judgment ever possessed by any U.S. President, then yeah
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To Bush's credit...near the end he did become a bit more assertive about things, in general.
He was also not nearly the neo con he's made out to be but hey...when you're a weak president you cave to whatever people want from you!
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Finishing a Job: Obama Gets Osama
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Obama touched off American celebrations with his Sunday night announcement that
U.S. forces finally had killed Osama bin Laden, but that long frustrating hunt might not
have been necessary if George W. Bush had rejected neoconservative advice to pivot
prematurely from Afghanistan to Iraq in late 2001.

General Tommy Franks was overseeing the military operation aimed at capturing or killing
bin Laden when Rumsfeld relayed Bush’s order to freshen up the invasion plan for Iraq.
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http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/02/osama-won


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Points: 4335 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2011 at 14:03
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

What movie was that from? Were they going out to fight the aliens or something?
 
Seriously!?  I mean, come on.


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