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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2011 at 10:32
^ due to the very long wavelengths of low frequency sound waves and the fact that our ears are small and close together means we cannot tell the direction of bass notes very well at all (if at all) - this is why you only need one monaural subwoofer in any set-up.
 
This goes back to the phase relationship thing of the other thread  - to tell direction of a sound the sound wave arrives at one ear slightly out of phase to the other - we process this phase difference as "direction". Essentially every waveform will be delayed by the same time but if the wavelength is very long then this time lag will represent a smaller proportion of the whole cycle and so will be harder for us to process.
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That's an interesting article T on Bose.....I have the Acoustimass Series II 2.1 channel system, again purchased around 1994-95......back then I don't remember Bose being the "marketing hype" that it may be now. All I remember is those very popular Bose 901 speakers that all the HiFi mags back in the day used to rave about and actually gave good reviews on.
I agree on the cube speakers......but I argue the bass module, it does a very good job. You can stand in any part of my rec room which is about 450sqft full of furniture and you cannot detect where the bass is coming from.....Although I fully know technology has come miles from 1994 and anything today kicks my speakers butt easily.
Also the article discusses the driver size that 5.5" drivers cannot be used as woofers.....well I see most bookshelf speakers have 5"-8" bass/mid drivers, so not sure I agree there. The new bookshelf speakers have designed very good ports to aide in bass response......Like I said the B&W CM1 are amazing......but with a kevlar driver and a very well designed port its clear why.
 
Today...I think there are many, many better options than Bose, I think they have taken advantage of their past years success by raking in the bucks....good for them, Bose does not "make you" pull your wallet out and make that purchase....Obviously they have a strong marketing team..nothing wrong with that.
 
The same can be said of B&W, Linn, Epos and all those $20K speaker systems.....pretty pictures and high end words don't validate big bucks......I mean I love those new B&W PM1s.....but $4k for bookshelfs?? nah..
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 15 2011 at 03:16
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Your system appears to lack one vital component Oliver. Confused


Yes, a TT. It happened that at one point i had to choose between CD and vinyl because of financial restrictions.
And as i already owned a nice CD collection, i eventually choosed CD.
I don't regret it as vinyl is complicated at several levels.
But if i had time and money, i'd have vinyl.

What may lack as well is a good tuner. I also own a tapedeck Nakamichi 1000 and a Pioneer CTF1000 that sound better than my Cd setup using a good tape but tapedeck is the most fragile source an it always had trouble at some point.

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The Bose system has treated me well....especially with my wife and the "decor" issue, so I can't complain too much. When I heard the CM1s I asked the seller which sub was on....he looked over the computer screen where u pick what u wanna hear and said...none selected. I said liar!! I walked around to each sub and put my hand on them....I ate crow!!
I made sure he had no processor or EQ and the int amp he was running made sure all tone controls were flat.......amazing bass response from those suckers!!
But yea USD999.99 per pair......I kinda hoping they would drop some since I hear they are not making them anymore, at least that's what the Magnolia HiFi guy told me...
 
But I like them..... 
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 17:38
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Yes I know.....I have decided not to get a sub for my system.....I am still shopping for new speakers. Currently looking at B&W CM1, they have amazing bass response, EPOS and Klipsch all bookshelf models. The problem is not having a store that carries stuff you can audition. Also looking at the NAD C356BEE integrated amp.

My system is old I have an Onkyo Integra TX-870 receiver (20yr old), Sony CDP302 CD deck (25yr old), ADC SS100SL EQ (20yr old), Audio Technica AT-LP120 Direct Drive Turntable (1yr old), Bose Acoustimass speakers (20yr old).....Everything works fine, but now that my kids are grown and we are not spending all our available cash on them....I am looking for new equipment. I am kinda glad I waited since technology has improved so much in the past 10yrs....
 
 
I would change the speakers too. Acoustimass systems by Buy Other Sound Equipment don't even cover the entire frequency range. 
 
Yea I know...I am looking at B&W CM1, I really like those, they sound amazing. The Bose my wife bought me for Christmas 20yrs ago cause I had these huge honkin 36" tall box 3way speakers with 12" woofers and she hated them..too big for the family room. The Bose bass module does a nice job but the swivel twin cubes do me no justice Cry
The new speakers will be my first purchase........

I love B&Ws... I can't afford the CM1s but I'll get me some 685s (with employee price they are so much more affordable Tongue). 

Bose, well... I sell them when customers (usually tourists) really really want them and I can't really convince them to buy better stuff and because they are very profit-rich, but man do they suck. This is a good article on Bose suckiness.  Tongue

Get the CM1s man. Once you change your Acoustimass, you won't believe what happened. You'll think your ears grew younger Tongue
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 16:40
Now that we are at it, here's a quick view of my simple setup: 
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Points: 17845 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 16:28
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Yes I know.....I have decided not to get a sub for my system.....I am still shopping for new speakers. Currently looking at B&W CM1, they have amazing bass response, EPOS and Klipsch all bookshelf models. The problem is not having a store that carries stuff you can audition. Also looking at the NAD C356BEE integrated amp.

My system is old I have an Onkyo Integra TX-870 receiver (20yr old), Sony CDP302 CD deck (25yr old), ADC SS100SL EQ (20yr old), Audio Technica AT-LP120 Direct Drive Turntable (1yr old), Bose Acoustimass speakers (20yr old).....Everything works fine, but now that my kids are grown and we are not spending all our available cash on them....I am looking for new equipment. I am kinda glad I waited since technology has improved so much in the past 10yrs....
 
 
I would change the speakers too. Acoustimass systems by Buy Other Sound Equipment don't even cover the entire frequency range. 
 
Yea I know...I am looking at B&W CM1, I really like those, they sound amazing. The Bose my wife bought me for Christmas 20yrs ago cause I had these huge honkin 36" tall box 3way speakers with 12" woofers and she hated them..too big for the family room. The Bose bass module does a nice job but the swivel twin cubes do me no justice Cry
The new speakers will be my first purchase........
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Points: 17845 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 16:23
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Your system appears to lack one vital component Oliver. Confused
 
A cassette deck??
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 16:22
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Yes I know.....I have decided not to get a sub for my system.....I am still shopping for new speakers. Currently looking at B&W CM1, they have amazing bass response, EPOS and Klipsch all bookshelf models. The problem is not having a store that carries stuff you can audition. Also looking at the NAD C356BEE integrated amp.

My system is old I have an Onkyo Integra TX-870 receiver (20yr old), Sony CDP302 CD deck (25yr old), ADC SS100SL EQ (20yr old), Audio Technica AT-LP120 Direct Drive Turntable (1yr old), Bose Acoustimass speakers (20yr old).....Everything works fine, but now that my kids are grown and we are not spending all our available cash on them....I am looking for new equipment. I am kinda glad I waited since technology has improved so much in the past 10yrs....
 
 
I would change the speakers too. Acoustimass systems by Buy Other Sound Equipment don't even cover the entire frequency range. 
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 16:11
Your system appears to lack one vital component Oliver. Confused
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 14:52
Rega Yes and for rock lover a Naim CD5 is very interesting
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Ohh I agree on the CD player, I forgot to mention I will replace that one too.....I was looking at a NAD or REGA CD player, there are some stores in Seattle that have pretty good used equipment.
....I am 100% a 2.0 channel person, always have been. The older equipment I will give to my kids for their Xbox room so they can use it for gaming audio.
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 14:39
Of course. Another option is to gather all in on system.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 14:35
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

My setup right now is 2.1 only. It includes a Marantz receiver with a marantz cd player, v-can headphone amp, ath-w5000 headphones, 2 definitive technology proMonitor 800 speakers and a Definitive technology pro 800 sub. I'm going to replace the two speakers for a pair of Bowers&Wilkins 685s and leave the little ones for when I build my home theater set. This one is mostly for music.


Among your electronics, the weakest part is the marantz amp
It's quite good actually but nothing state-of-the-art or anything. Eventually I'll replace it for something better for music and keep it for Home theater. I care more about good sound for music than for movies anyway (as I think we all do here )
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 13:57
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Yes I know.....I have decided not to get a sub for my system.....I am still shopping for new speakers. Currently looking at B&W CM1, they have amazing bass response, EPOS and Klipsch all bookshelf models. The problem is not having a store that carries stuff you can audition. Also looking at the NAD C356BEE integrated amp.


My system is old I have an Onkyo Integra TX-870 receiver (20yr old), Sony CDP302 CD deck (25yr old), ADC SS100SL EQ (20yr old), Audio Technica AT-LP120 Direct Drive Turntable (1yr old), Bose Acoustimass speakers (20yr old).....Everything works fine, but now that my kids are grown and we are not spending all our available cash on them....I am looking for new equipment. I am kinda glad I waited since technology has improved so much in the past 10yrs....




The Nad amp and the BW speakers are good musical choices, you'd get a second hand Nad CD (any model, some are for sale at less than 100 dollars) because the Sony will not do justice to your (future) new gear.
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 13:54
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

My setup right now is 2.1 only. It includes a Marantz receiver with a marantz cd player, v-can headphone amp, ath-w5000 headphones, 2 definitive technology proMonitor 800 speakers and a Definitive technology pro 800 sub. I'm going to replace the two speakers for a pair of Bowers&Wilkins 685s and leave the little ones for when I build my home theater set. This one is mostly for music.


Among your electronics, the weakest part is the marantz amp
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Yes I know.....I have decided not to get a sub for my system.....I am still shopping for new speakers. Currently looking at B&W CM1, they have amazing bass response, EPOS and Klipsch all bookshelf models. The problem is not having a store that carries stuff you can audition. Also looking at the NAD C356BEE integrated amp.

My system is old I have an Onkyo Integra TX-870 receiver (20yr old), Sony CDP302 CD deck (25yr old), ADC SS100SL EQ (20yr old), Audio Technica AT-LP120 Direct Drive Turntable (1yr old), Bose Acoustimass speakers (20yr old).....Everything works fine, but now that my kids are grown and we are not spending all our available cash on them....I am looking for new equipment. I am kinda glad I waited since technology has improved so much in the past 10yrs....
 
 


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Electronics from bottom to top:

- Valve power amp Prima luna Prologue 4

- Passive preamp Rotel Michi

- D/A converter Goldmund Mimesis 14

- (pure) CD transport Sonic Frontiers SFT-1
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My setup right now is 2.1 only. It includes a Marantz receiver with a marantz cd player, v-can headphone amp, ath-w5000 headphones, 2 definitive technology proMonitor 800 speakers and a Definitive technology pro 800 sub. I'm going to replace the two speakers for a pair of Bowers&Wilkins 685s and leave the little ones for when I build my home theater set. This one is mostly for music.
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Points: 6308 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2011 at 13:24
You're welcome, sorry for the avrage quality pic and not having done the dust before!

The Magnat omega 380 sub is the big dark stuff behind the left speaker
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