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Originally posted by b4usleep b4usleep wrote:

Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Crimso for me. Seen both live. I wish that I could have seen Peter era Genesis live. 

 

Is anybody here, seen (Gabriel era) Genesis live?


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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

 
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

As this site is called progarchives it's naturally that KC is leading. If it was called wonderful music archives I'm sure Genesis would win . But here "progressiveness" is more important than music's soul. Unfortunately.



There are one album bands here, one band with two fantastic studio releases, one of which is top 13.

Don't you believe that:
  1. Trespass
  2. Nursery Cryme 
  3. Foxtrot
  4. Selling England by the pound
  5. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
  6. A Trick of the Tail
  7. Wind & Wuthering
Are enough to deserve to be called an amazing Prog band, specially when 2 of them are among the top 5 and the rest (Except W&W) are in the Top 100% of Prog Archives while only 3 KC are in the same list and far away?

Iván


Of course I believe ! For me Genesis is much more progressive than KC! But here almost everyone who votes for KC argues his choice saying "its the most progressive band"  . But  progressivenes itself isn't very important   feature ! It says nothing about a Music . For example, Wagner is more "prog" than Tchaikovsky but we all understand who is better composer Wink .


Wagner by a considerable distance.


Obviously Wagner by miles and miles.
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Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

 
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

As this site is called progarchives it's naturally that KC is leading. If it was called wonderful music archives I'm sure Genesis would win . But here "progressiveness" is more important than music's soul. Unfortunately.



There are one album bands here, one band with two fantastic studio releases, one of which is top 13.

Don't you believe that:
  1. Trespass
  2. Nursery Cryme 
  3. Foxtrot
  4. Selling England by the pound
  5. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
  6. A Trick of the Tail
  7. Wind & Wuthering
Are enough to deserve to be called an amazing Prog band, specially when 2 of them are among the top 5 and the rest (Except W&W) are in the Top 100% of Prog Archives while only 3 KC are in the same list and far away?

Iván


Of course I believe ! For me Genesis is much more progressive than KC! But here almost everyone who votes for KC argues his choice saying "its the most progressive band"  . But  progressivenes itself isn't very important   feature ! It says nothing about a Music . For example, Wagner is more "prog" than Tchaikovsky but we all understand who is better composer Wink .


Wagner by a considerable distance.
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Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Varon Varon wrote:

As this site is called progarchives it's naturally that KC is leading. If it was called wonderful music archives I'm sure Genesis would win . But here "progressiveness" is more important than music's soul. Unfortunately.



There are one album bands here, one band with two fantastic studio releases, one of which is top 13.

Don't you believe that:
  1. Trespass
  2. Nursery Cryme 
  3. Foxtrot
  4. Selling England by the pound
  5. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
  6. A Trick of the Tail
  7. Wind & Wuthering
Are enough to deserve to be called an amazing Prog band, specially when 2 of them are among the top 5 and the rest (Except W&W) are in the Top 100% of Prog Archives while only 3 KC are in the same list and far away?

Iván


Of course I believe ! For me Genesis is much more progressive than KC! But here almost everyone who votes for KC argues his choice saying "its the most progressive band"  . But  progressivenes itself isn't very important   feature ! It says nothing about a Music . For example, Wagner is more "prog" than Tchaikovsky but we all understand who is better composer Wink .
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Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:

 

This is the only footage I know off, from the days they were wild and exciting!
And in Belgium Smile


I've seen them live (in youtube)



makes me so sad to think what they become later Cry why didnt just they disbanded
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Oops, that didn't work Geek
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3h4l9_genesis-live-1972-peter-gabriel-bel

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3h4su_genesis-live-1972-peter-gabriel-bel_music


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Originally posted by b4usleep b4usleep wrote:

Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Crimso for me. Seen both live. I wish that I could have seen Peter era Genesis live. 

 

Is anybody here, seen (Gabriel era) Genesis live?



This is the only footage I know off, from the days they were wild and exciting!
And in Belgium Smile
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Genesis easily. They have released some great albums, KC hasn't. 
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Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Crimso for me. Seen both live. I wish that I could have seen Peter era Genesis live. 

 

Is anybody here, seen (Gabriel era) Genesis live?
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Crimso for me. Seen both live. I wish that I could have seen Peter era Genesis live. 
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Originally posted by The Wrinkler The Wrinkler wrote:

Genesis... the Gabriel era Genesis was pure classic from Trespass to Lamb, and are ranked among my top Prog Albums! Go Genesis!!! 
And what do you think about From Genesis To Revelation and post-Gabriel era?
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Genesis... the Gabriel era Genesis was pure classic from Trespass to Lamb, and are ranked among my top Prog Albums! Go Genesis!!! 
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OK, I just made up my mind, I'll go with Genesis. Let's see if I don't change my mind once it's too late.
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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


Crimson is more important indeed, and they are my favorite! Big smile

Or was that Pink Floyd? Confused
I've got a few more days to make up my mind.

In this case, it's OK. But people who likes Genesis more but from some reason feels that King Crimson is more important and more innovative, more Prog so they vote for them instead of band they like, it's just weird for me.


I've read what Undercover Boy have in his first post (it's always the same), there's nothing about it.

Well, I just enjoy King Crimson more.  Even with all notions of innovation and influence aside, I like them better period.
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I grew up listening to Peter Gabriel's voice. Thanks to my father. I discovered KC later on my own. Fripp is amazing, but I have to go with Genesis. My heart tells me so.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 

Don't you believe that:
  1. Trespass
  2. Nursery Cryme 
  3. Foxtrot
  4. Selling England by the pound
  5. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
  6. A Trick of the Tail
  7. Wind & Wuthering
Are enough to deserve to be called an amazing Prog band, specially when 2 of them are among the top 5 and the rest (Except W&W) are in the Top 100% of Prog Archives while only 3 KC are in the same list and far away?

Iván

 
I pointed out something similar with regard to top 5 and Iván makes another point that a few of us feel......In that KC may be on too high a pedestal based on their body of work, especially when compared to the list he shows above......6 of the 7 Genesis albums are in the Top 100.....pretty awesome, regardless if you like them or not.....Nice nugget Iván.

KC have fewer great albums over a longer period of time but imo, Red, LTIA and Discipline seal the issue over Genesis.  Note that I have not even mentioned Court..., which, while a great album, is not as great as these three for me.  Now, MAYBE that's putting them on too high a pedestal for YOU but not for ME.   If it was about quantity (of great albums) over quality, I would have had to cast my vote for Genesis but it's not. 

I agree, however, that voting for influence or because KC apparently didn't make any pop albums is a strange reason because Discipline is sorta pop Wink with lot of polyrhythms and all that and not quite a prog album in the 'classic' sense. I haven't properly investigated Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair but it would probably not be very different.


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Originally posted by Lizzy Lizzy wrote:

From an objective point of view - KC.

I'm on this side of the objective. Wink
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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Bonnek Bonnek wrote:


Crimson is more important indeed, and they are my favorite! Big smile

Or was that Pink Floyd? Confused
I've got a few more days to make up my mind.

In this case, it's OK. But people who likes Genesis more but from some reason feels that King Crimson is more important and more innovative, more Prog so they vote for them instead of band they like, it's just weird for me.


I've read what Undercover Boy have in his first post (it's always the same), there's nothing about it.


Couldn't agree more. It's all very obtuse.
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