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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2010 at 04:27

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2010 at 03:41
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:


Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

mid-15c., perhaps a variant of frisk (q.v.). As a euphemism for "to f**k"


I've been frisked in public several times... by men in uniforms...

Should I sue?
Depends. If you think you were over-charged you could have a case... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2010 at 02:23
Originally posted by James James wrote:

I used it the other day and wish I hadn't: "I am an open-book".Grr!


More a pamphlet, really...



Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

mid-15c., perhaps a variant of frisk (q.v.). As a euphemism for "to f**k"


I've been frisked in public several times... by men in uniforms...

Should I sue?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 23:56
I used it the other day and wish I hadn't: "I am an open-book".

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 20:47
Thanks to that link for "Grope Lane" I now know I have to visit Shrewsbury sometime. I can never resist the image of a lovely anglo-norman house. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 19:07
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Dean, "grope" is not inherently offensive or sexual, and I doubt it was so for that street name. (It may well have been a surname.) One can grope (fumble, or reach around blindly) in the dark for a lightswitch, for example.
 
Many place names in my native Newfoundland now sound funny or sexual, but they were not originally so. Words take on new meanings and useages over the centuries.
 
These days, grope's  association is very often sexual -- much as the hitherto innocent "intercourse" and "ejaculate" came to connote only sexual intercourse and, well, not a sudden conversational interjection.....LOL
Peter, you need to follow the link to discover the wonders of Anglo Saxon street naming.Wink
WOW. Very interesting, and I stand humbly corrected. Those medieval Brits made no bones about what they were groping, did they?  I also liked the link to that certain alley. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 15:26
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Dean, "grope" is not inherently offensive or sexual, and I doubt it was so for that street name. (It may well have been a surname.) One can grope (fumble, or reach around blindly) in the dark for a lightswitch, for example.
 
Many place names in my native Newfoundland now sound funny or sexual, but they were not originally so. Words take on new meanings and useages over the centuries.
 
These days, grope's  association is very often sexual -- much as the hitherto innocent "intercourse" and "ejaculate" came to connote only sexual intercourse and, well, not a sudden conversational interjection.....LOL
Peter, you need to follow the link to discover the wonders of Anglo Saxon street naming.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 14:51
Dean, "grope" is not inherently offensive or sexual, and I doubt it was so for that street name. (It may well have been a surname.) One can grope (fumble, or reach around blindly) in the dark for a lightswitch, for example.
 
Many place names in my native Newfoundland now sound funny or sexual, but they were not originally so. Words take on new meanings and useages over the centuries.
 
These days, grope's  association is very often sexual -- much as the hitherto innocent "intercourse" and "ejaculate" came to connote only sexual intercourse and, well, not a sudden conversational interjection.....LOL


Edited by Peter - December 05 2010 at 14:52
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 13:13
I know, I should have specified that it's not the expression in itself that annoys me, but the abuse. I see it a lot in contexts where it's not needed, recently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 13:09
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

"Based". You can not say anymore about someone that he's "Californanian", or "from California". You now must say "California-based". That quite annoys me. 
Confused ____-based means where the person is currently living whereas _____ian refers to where they were born - the phrases are not interchangable.
 
You are France-based, but you are not Frenchian.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 12:17
"Based". You can not say anymore about someone that he's "Californanian", or "from California". You now must say "California-based". That quite annoys me. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 12:13
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Geek I just found the following online:
 
Origin:
1425–75; earlier, to move about restlessly, rub; late ME friggen  to quiver
 
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"to move about restlessly," mid-15c., perhaps a variant of frisk (q.v.). As a euphemism for "to f**k" it dates from 1590s, later "to masturbate" (1670s).
 
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(source: Dictionary.com, citing various reputable dictionaries)
I actually find that description rather tenuous - I've never quivered in my life and I sense that quivering and frisking is very much the wrong way to do it. Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 12:04
Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

Geek I just found the following online:
 
Origin:
1425–75; earlier, to move about restlessly, rub; late ME friggen  to quiver
 
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"to move about restlessly," mid-15c., perhaps a variant of frisk (q.v.). As a euphemism for "to f**k" it dates from 1590s, later "to masturbate" (1670s).
 
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(source: Dictionary.com, citing various reputable dictionaries)
Obviously I cannot dispute the academic sources, however glassblowing as an occupation has been around for over 3½ thousand years and predates any dictionary - the art of making small practice pieces certainly predates the small glass animals found in souvenir shops in the 60s. Since "frig" has taboo connotations (from an unrelated derivation) then its usage for innocent objects such as glass animals would have fallen from favour. Unfortunately I cannot locate a source for the glass-blowing connection and for once Google is far from helpful on this matter.
 
We were not so squemish over the use of "offensive" words in earlier times - my Mother-in-law owns a shop in Shrewsbury on a street called Grope Lane - that is not it's original name (the shopfront with the blue windowframe belongs to my Mother-in-law).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 11:08
Geek I just found the following online:
 
Origin:
1425–75; earlier, to move about restlessly, rub; late ME friggen  to quiver
 
***************************************************************************************
 
"to move about restlessly," mid-15c., perhaps a variant of frisk (q.v.). As a euphemism for "to f**k" it dates from 1590s, later "to masturbate" (1670s).
 
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(source: Dictionary.com, citing various reputable dictionaries)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2010 at 10:58
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Peter Peter wrote:

 
Around here, people often think the plural of "you" is "yous." They also think "frigging" is a polite, acceptable version of f***ing -- it's not. (I heard a politician say it on national radio the other day, as in "the frigging economy.") It means EXACTLY the same thing, folks -- look it up! Stern Smile
Originally Friggers were small pieces of nonsense glass made by glass blowers to demonstrate their skill, that act of making them being Frigging (frigging about, frigging around)
 
Frigging as an euphemism for f*cking is fairly modern, as a slang term in the old days I believe it only meant (female) masturbation.
 
I think it's like "Feck" - a word that over the past ten years or so has become "polite" substitute for f*ck - that too will eventually lose its original meaning (feck = worth, value, amount) through lack of use - it only really survives in English now as feckless (worthless)
Geek Dean ol' bean, I've been meaning to get back to you on this. I'm not sure about your source, but would you agree to accept (as highly likely, if not final) what Webster's says on the word? (I did look it up before posting.) My Webster's dictionary has 400,000 entries, and it's new (only 3-4 years old), so I think it is highly definitive:
 
frig (taboo) 1. a highly offensive term meaning to have sexual intercourse with somebody 2. a highly offensive term meaning to masturbate, or masturbate somebody [Late 16th C.,   Origin ?]
 
The fact that it is first found in print around the late 1500s would seem to negate any original connection to those little glass novelty ornaments -- we had a lot of those in the late 60s-70s, when I think they came out. I never heard or saw the word in connection with them, at least on this side of the Atlantic. For stores/manufacturers to have used it would have been counter-productive, and offensive to many customers. As a sound, "frig" would seem Germanic, to me (like that other F-word).  "Frigg" or "Frigga" was a Norse goddess -- the wife of Odin.
 
Re the "female" genital-digital manipulation connotation, there is a joke/faux sea shanty in my home province which goes "frigging in the rigging, frigging in the rigging -- there's f***-all else to do." That would seem to refer to male sailors, no? LOL
 
In any case, I agree that through mainstream useage, the word is losing its power to offend. Webster's goes on to define "frigging" as "a highly offensive term expressing annoyance or disgust [taboo]" As with all too many expletives and rude words these days (eg. "douchebag"), it is increasingly heard on radio, TV, in classrooms, workplaces, and at the family dinner table. Any notions of setting-appropriate decorum and "class" seem to be rapidly disappearing -- pity!Disapprove
 
 


Edited by Peter - December 05 2010 at 11:13
"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 03:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 03:01
Even Dean uses it on occasion +++shakes head in despair+++

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 03:01
meh.

old people really have nothing to do if they are complaining about "meh".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 02:57
^^^ You beat me to it, Jim. That expression sets my teeth on edge, especially when Brits use it.
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