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Posted: May 23 2010 at 21:10

The T wrote:

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This!

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 21:07

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 21:02

Why are we talking about bands that suck? This is Progressive Archives. We all know that prog music is the best music ever, and a recent study shows that Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree both sound objectively terrible.

I mean, really. Sure, they might be going in the direction they want to go in. This isn't Direction Archives, people. We do not add a band here just because they have a direction. You know what band had a direction? Nirvana. You want to see them on this site? No. I didn't think so. You know who listens to Nirvana? Americans. You know who lives in America? The KKK. Yeah. That's right, I went there. You keep Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree on this site, and within two years this forum will be dominated by white supremicists plotting to overthrow the evils of tolerance and enlightenment. And then we get shut down and nobody's happy.

So if you guys want to listen to bands that objectively suck, then fine. That's your decision. But don't drag this site down with you.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 15:50

Wasn't it Fripp on Way Out of Here and Nil Recurring?

Wilson's not bad. But if we're talking technical talent, the only person in all of PT that might have anything on any member of Dream Theater is Gavin Harrison. Truthfully, I am currently not too interested in either band, as to my ears, Porcupine Tree is now just playing progressive metal too, but bad prog metal. DT's been playing that game way better for a while. The Incident is just a bad merger of Tool and, well, more Tool. And it just sounds bad.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 15:46

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jampa17: Wilson's a "quite average" guitar player? Have you heard "Way Out of Here?"... what about anything from Nil Recurring or Voyage 34... I personally believe Wilson is a much more tasteful guitarist than Petrucci... Petrucci should focus on feel and originality, not just technical virtuosity. I do very much respect him, though.

While I admit Wilson is tasteful, his solos never really stand out to me.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 15:02

jampa17: Wilson's a "quite average" guitar player? Have you heard "Way Out of Here?"... what about anything from Nil Recurring or Voyage 34... I personally believe Wilson is a much more tasteful guitarist than Petrucci... Petrucci should focus on feel and originality, not just technical virtuosity. I do very much respect him, though.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 14:54

ptkc123 wrote:

When I heard Rite of Passage, I knew something bad was happening...

An amazing comeback to the previous argument.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 14:48

When I heard Rite of Passage, I knew something bad was happening...

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 14:46

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He's (Steve WIlson) admitted that he doesn't want to play prog rock in the sense of a Genesis or Yes or King Crimson sound-alikes, but he definitley embraces the term of "TRUE PROGRESSIVE ROCK," which is something Dream Theater doesn't know about. I believe that you need to rethink what the term progressive really is. And, extreme technicality has nothing to do with being a good progressive rock band. Steven knows patience and a little Frippian-idea called discipline... It basically means not playing 10000 note per second solos whenever you want just because you can... the music itself will tell you where to go... and Wilson is a much better singer and more tolerable than LaBrie, and I think that most people will agree on that.

Again, you are talking from your own tastes... and been very subjective...

Labrie is a opera trained singer... Wilson is a selfmade singer, and his range is quite short and the power of his voice is really weak... now, if you like him more that's a different story... most of the people who hates Labrie's voice agree that he is a good singer and has a good vocal range... the problem is that they just don´t like his voice... which is subjective...

and you are talking about how is the "correct" way to compose a song... can you compose a song...? are you a songwriter? how is that you can say what is "good" and bad in matter of music? I think Wilson also has accepted that DT musicians are quite good musicians... is just that he doesn't like their style... Portnoy admire Wilson work... so you see... that's a mature way of talking... not pretending that the true belongs to you...

and about composission skills... have you ever heard songs like To Live Forever, Through Her Eyes, Surrounded, Dissapear, Regression, Hollow Years, Anna Lee or Trial of Tears...? if there's billions of notes in his solos there... then you should check your ears buddy... and I'm mentioning songs from all eras of DT...

Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 14:32

¡¡¡ YEEEESSSSS !!!!!

IT'S VERY URGENT ANYONE PUT PORTNOY IN HIS OWN PLACE BECAUSE HE'S GOING DOWN TO VULGAR MUSIC... DREAM THEATER IS LOSING ITS FINE STYLE.

¡¡¡ URGENT !!!!

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 13:31

I definitely didn't say that they're not progressive because they play progressive metal... Pain of Salvation is definitely progressive metal. I just, IMO, don't think Dream Theater currently are. It's my opinion.....sue me

Edited by ptkc123 - May 23 2010 at 13:32

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 12:55

First of all, Wilson being better than LaBrie is a matter of opinion.

And secondly, Dream Theater plays progressive METAL. Thats different from progressive rock. As said in an earlier comment, it's not your band. Stop trying to say just because they're progressive metal, they're not true progressive.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 11:57

I know.. jampa17 brought them and him up again so I felt that I had to say something to correct what he was saying...

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 11:51

everything you just said

doesnt matter

because Steven Wilson (and PT) still do not really belong in this thread

My Last.fm

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 11:47

The more stabs you take at Wilson, the more I will defend him... so maybe you should stop bringing him up and I'll stop defending him and talk about Dream Theater.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 11:45

He's (Steve WIlson) admitted that he doesn't want to play prog rock in the sense of a Genesis or Yes or King Crimson sound-alikes, but he definitley embraces the term of "TRUE PROGRESSIVE ROCK," which is something Dream Theater doesn't know about. I believe that you need to rethink what the term progressive really is. And, extreme technicality has nothing to do with being a good progressive rock band. Steven knows patience and a little Frippian-idea called discipline... It basically means not playing 10000 note per second solos whenever you want just because you can... the music itself will tell you where to go... and Wilson is a much better singer and more tolerable than LaBrie, and I think that most people will agree on that.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 11:27

ptkc123 wrote:

DT are trying to capture the attention of the countless number of new metalcore fans... I think they should start focusing on the older ones to really gain some attention.

Who in the hell told you that DT is trying to capture those fans... just read and hear what Portnoy is always saying... all they want to do is please their fans... the fact of trying different sounds and influences is just because they don't want to get bored with what they already have made...

and you keep bringing out Steven Wilson in this conversation man... stop it...!!! Steven Wilson is not a comparisson for DT, he doesn't play prog rock... he has admited that he doesn't even want to play prog rock... and the people who likes PT is not searching for technical abilities... so, is a complete different thing... and technically, Wilson is a lame singer and as a guitar player, is, quite average... but, I don't care if he is or not... just leave him alone and talk about DT... OK...?

Edited by jampa17 - May 23 2010 at 11:27

Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 10:23

John Petrucci's good... he just needs to cool down a bit before he catches his fingers on fire.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 10:12

Mr ProgFreak wrote:

DT-PT wrote:

The thing with Dream Theater is what other people think of them.

The fanboys are incredibly annoying. With their talk of 85643965279452 nps John Petrucci solos.

Usually it's the haters who keep bringing up that subject.

Aha thats true. However I will admit they do have a point when they say that.

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Posted: May 23 2010 at 09:36

DT are trying to capture the attention of the countless number of new metalcore fans... I think they should start focusing on the older ones to really gain some attention.