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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 06:18
Neither of these are prog but here are my two best examples of records that pretty much single-handedly killed my interest in a band I had previously loved for years.
 
Weezer - Make Believe
REM - Around The Sun
 
And in proggier waters, I haven't digested it fully yet but Coheed And Cambria, who were the light of my life with their 2003 and 2005 releases, may have lost me with this year's Year Of The Black Rainbow.
Also, to get back to the original post, Red by King Crimson is a masterpiece, whilst Discipline... um. hmm, yes... well if you can't say anything nice...
 
PS The Final Cut is a masterpiece.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 03:18
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

The idea just dawned on me from another thread that prog music is so personal that some albums may appear to be brilliant masterpieces and then the band's next release comes across as an absolute disaster. A case in point.
 
Another case in point. When Pink Floyd released 'The Wall' I thought I had heard quite possibly the greatest piece of music in history, and then 'The Final Cut' was released. TFC is simply apalling and showed how a band can go from the peak of the mountain to the abyss.  
 
If your name was Picasso, and you painted something, and someone said it is brilliant, and a year later they came back and looked at your new painting and said something like ... it's not as good ... how would you feel?
 
From a commercial stand point you are right. From an artistic stand point you are so wrong it's not even funny. On top of it, if my name was Picasso, I might even say something like who are you to tell me what to paint? (... and he did many times, btw!)
 
I would say I will tell you who I am Mr Picasso I am the person reviewing your art and if you do not like it get out of the business because reviewing or mass opinion is what makes or breaks you in this business. If you are popular and well liked you will sell your art, if you are maligned or ridiculed for your art, you have precious hope in selling it. The public opinion is the stuff of breakthrough and in the case of art, it is there to be critiqued. If you wish to make a breakthrough in the music business it is essential that the reviews are favourable. Look what happened to Gary Numan - tragically he was blessed with a masive hit in 'Cars' - mass public bought the album and didn't understand the style - he was ridiculed so bad that he actually became depressed and began to release one mediocre album after another eg: Dance, Warriors, Outland, Metal Rhythm and The Fury.  He eventually gave up and just released what he liked such as Exile or Sacrifice, changed his style completely into industrial dark gothic, and didnt care about the mass public opinion. He has a cult following underground but nothing like the success of the 80s. He still releases albums and nobody outside UK really cares. Kudos that he continues to perform and I believe he doesnt even bother singing 'Cars' now. My point is the public reviews of his work hurt him so they do enforce decisions of product sales, and he would be long gone now if he had not continued to produce his own art without taking into consideration the reviews of his work which were scathing usually. The reviews were what drove him.
 
And this is important, when you are looking at music. What are you asking? What do you want? ... basically you just told Pink Floyd that you wanted something but that was not what you wanted. And how the heck could Pink Floyd, or anyone else, ever know what you wanted?
 
You see the problem?
 
I see the problem but as I stated whether Pink Floyd knows what I want is the point, they can't second guess but they should not stop producing quality albums and they will just churn out mediocre stuff if the public accepts it. If The public do not accept this the band fails and they should go back to the studios and write some decent stuff, they should assess what went wrong and how to approach things differently if they want to survive and thrive as a band. This is what Metallica did after the uninspired drivel of St Anger - after the scathing attacks on their worst album they realised it came down to bad production and no inspiration and poor decisions - Now Death Magnetic has brought the band back to the heights of the glorious metal 80s for them, and fans are impressed enough to flock to their concerts and buy the album. I love the fact they listened to the reviews and the buying public and put in an effort to improve.
 
This is the reason why I say here in this board all the time, we have to stop thinking as commercial pundits that think that we should be the definition of music and art! It's never gonna happen. You will have the biggest revolution in your hands, no different than a religious war!
 
Art, is about change, and about doing different things. So if you don't like "The Final Cut", all you are telling me is that Pink Floyd is not the group of men that you want, or the group of artists that you want. And I'm going to say ... good luck pal ... because what you want is in your head, and you are not capable of putting it into music or paper to go do it yourself! But you will stand up and judge others because of it? ... ohh ... and on top of it make a judgement about the time that is not how many people thought or felt at all. I happen to think that "The Final Cut" was brilliant ... and more than likely also was a part of "The Wall" but it had to be cut short because it was already too long! Well, between you and I, it was not long enough for me! Not even close!
 
That sort of talk, if taken seriously, would put a lot of professional reviewers out of work as they would be second guessing the buying public - they have to go on their initial reaction from the experience of listening to other albums and make the approptriate comparison and the judgement has to be at the reviewers discretion, and not questioned as music is as subjective as any art; a judgement is a reaction and a choice. You have to go for the gut reaction and if you are reviewing and don't like something you have the freedom to state it in any way you wish and state why you feel this way, regardless of how others may feel. That is what makes a good reviewer not a people pleasing reviewer who thinks everything deserves merit - the fact is not everything out there is good even the artists agree with this.
 
Please place yourself in the artists shoes before you state something like that ... it is rather sad and sometimes demeaning, and this is the reason why so many of these artists have to ignore the "public" ... you wouldn't want me to tell you how to live your life would you? Or anyone else for that matter!
 
No, I wouldn't but I don't open myself up for criticism of my art. Any artist is an open target it goes with the business. Musicians are there to be critiqued, look at the way the judges critique the contestants on American Idol! Why do they attack them? Because they are only preparing them for the real world which is harsh and judgemental - it just goes hand in hand. If you are a musician you will be critiqued. As a reviewer I want to be critical, firm but fair, if I like something I say it and vice versa but there are reasons and these should be stipulated too. A bad review says I hate the album with  no reasons given; no validity in other words and those reviews should be ignored, however if you read my reviews I give reasons and therefore there is validity in the review. I hope that settles things somewhat, at least the way I see it.

the problem is that the public is a lazy beast; they want what they are used to. any novelty is rejected at first. it takes some time before they respect anything new and original. sad but true. there are countless examples for that in history. sometimes you are lucky though and the public catches on immediately. but, and here is the spanner in the works: you never know in advance


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 00:48
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

The idea just dawned on me from another thread that prog music is so personal that some albums may appear to be brilliant masterpieces and then the band's next release comes across as an absolute disaster. A case in point.
 
Another case in point. When Pink Floyd released 'The Wall' I thought I had heard quite possibly the greatest piece of music in history, and then 'The Final Cut' was released. TFC is simply apalling and showed how a band can go from the peak of the mountain to the abyss.  
 
If your name was Picasso, and you painted something, and someone said it is brilliant, and a year later they came back and looked at your new painting and said something like ... it's not as good ... how would you feel?
 
From a commercial stand point you are right. From an artistic stand point you are so wrong it's not even funny. On top of it, if my name was Picasso, I might even say something like who are you to tell me what to paint? (... and he did many times, btw!)
 
I would say I will tell you who I am Mr Picasso I am the person reviewing your art and if you do not like it get out of the business because reviewing or mass opinion is what makes or breaks you in this business. If you are popular and well liked you will sell your art, if you are maligned or ridiculed for your art, you have precious hope in selling it. The public opinion is the stuff of breakthrough and in the case of art, it is there to be critiqued. If you wish to make a breakthrough in the music business it is essential that the reviews are favourable. Look what happened to Gary Numan - tragically he was blessed with a masive hit in 'Cars' - mass public bought the album and didn't understand the style - he was ridiculed so bad that he actually became depressed and began to release one mediocre album after another eg: Dance, Warriors, Outland, Metal Rhythm and The Fury.  He eventually gave up and just released what he liked such as Exile or Sacrifice, changed his style completely into industrial dark gothic, and didnt care about the mass public opinion. He has a cult following underground but nothing like the success of the 80s. He still releases albums and nobody outside UK really cares. Kudos that he continues to perform and I believe he doesnt even bother singing 'Cars' now. My point is the public reviews of his work hurt him so they do enforce decisions of product sales, and he would be long gone now if he had not continued to produce his own art without taking into consideration the reviews of his work which were scathing usually. The reviews were what drove him.
 
And this is important, when you are looking at music. What are you asking? What do you want? ... basically you just told Pink Floyd that you wanted something but that was not what you wanted. And how the heck could Pink Floyd, or anyone else, ever know what you wanted?
 
You see the problem?
 
I see the problem but as I stated whether Pink Floyd knows what I want is the point, they can't second guess but they should not stop producing quality albums and they will just churn out mediocre stuff if the public accepts it. If The public do not accept this the band fails and they should go back to the studios and write some decent stuff, they should assess what went wrong and how to approach things differently if they want to survive and thrive as a band. This is what Metallica did after the uninspired drivel of St Anger - after the scathing attacks on their worst album they realised it came down to bad production and no inspiration and poor decisions - Now Death Magnetic has brought the band back to the heights of the glorious metal 80s for them, and fans are impressed enough to flock to their concerts and buy the album. I love the fact they listened to the reviews and the buying public and put in an effort to improve.
 
This is the reason why I say here in this board all the time, we have to stop thinking as commercial pundits that think that we should be the definition of music and art! It's never gonna happen. You will have the biggest revolution in your hands, no different than a religious war!
 
Art, is about change, and about doing different things. So if you don't like "The Final Cut", all you are telling me is that Pink Floyd is not the group of men that you want, or the group of artists that you want. And I'm going to say ... good luck pal ... because what you want is in your head, and you are not capable of putting it into music or paper to go do it yourself! But you will stand up and judge others because of it? ... ohh ... and on top of it make a judgement about the time that is not how many people thought or felt at all. I happen to think that "The Final Cut" was brilliant ... and more than likely also was a part of "The Wall" but it had to be cut short because it was already too long! Well, between you and I, it was not long enough for me! Not even close!
 
That sort of talk, if taken seriously, would put a lot of professional reviewers out of work as they would be second guessing the buying public - they have to go on their initial reaction from the experience of listening to other albums and make the approptriate comparison and the judgement has to be at the reviewers discretion, and not questioned as music is as subjective as any art; a judgement is a reaction and a choice. You have to go for the gut reaction and if you are reviewing and don't like something you have the freedom to state it in any way you wish and state why you feel this way, regardless of how others may feel. That is what makes a good reviewer not a people pleasing reviewer who thinks everything deserves merit - the fact is not everything out there is good even the artists agree with this.
 
Please place yourself in the artists shoes before you state something like that ... it is rather sad and sometimes demeaning, and this is the reason why so many of these artists have to ignore the "public" ... you wouldn't want me to tell you how to live your life would you? Or anyone else for that matter!
 
No, I wouldn't but I don't open myself up for criticism of my art. Any artist is an open target it goes with the business. Musicians are there to be critiqued, look at the way the judges critique the contestants on American Idol! Why do they attack them? Because they are only preparing them for the real world which is harsh and judgemental - it just goes hand in hand. If you are a musician you will be critiqued. As a reviewer I want to be critical, firm but fair, if I like something I say it and vice versa but there are reasons and these should be stipulated too. A bad review says I hate the album with  no reasons given; no validity in other words and those reviews should be ignored, however if you read my reviews I give reasons and therefore there is validity in the review. I hope that settles things somewhat, at least the way I see it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 28 2010 at 00:40

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Originally posted by matansaldi matansaldi wrote:

It's not from the prog department, but still another example of how to fall from heaven to hell.

Iron Maiden's Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, and then No Prayer For the Dying.
 
Good call. Maiden going from one of their best albums, IMO (the ambitious concept album Seventh Son); to one of their weakest (the more stripped down No Prayer For The Dying) came to my mind straight away when I saw this topic.
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Originally posted by Ahmadbarqawi Ahmadbarqawi wrote:

Dream Theater :
 
From Failure to Greatness: Falling into Infinity to Metropolis 2: Scenes from a Memory
 
From Greatness to Failure: 6 Degrees Inner Turbulence to Train of Thought
 
 
Also Queensryche From the Great Epic "Promised Land" to the disastrous "Hear in the Now Frontier"... and its been an Epic fail for those guys ever since
 
I actually like all of those above-mentioned DT albums. Yes, even FII. I find it uplifting.
 
Agreed about Queensryche. They've been on the slide since Mindcrime, IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 22:00
May sound crazy, but after falling in love with Tales From Topographic Oceans, I can't listen to Close To The Edge more than once a month although I believe that they are both masterpieces.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 21:28
I'm so tired my brain Its like I'm drunk with sleepiness. But anywho, I'm just that guy whose here to say:

THE FINAL CUT IS THE BESTEST ALBUM OF THE 1980S. YO, OUT.

DA EDIT:

Greatest albums of all clymes (or is it climes?)

1. Animals
2. The Wall
3. Dark Side of the Moon
4. The Final Cut
5. Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
6. Quadrophenia
7. Selling England by the Pound
8. Wish You Were Here
9. Who's Next
10. Foxtrot (maybe)

Remember I'm DRUNK with sleepiness, wasted, intoxicated, inebriated


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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

The idea just dawned on me from another thread that prog music is so personal that some albums may appear to be brilliant masterpieces and then the band's next release comes across as an absolute disaster. A case in point.
 
Another case in point. When Pink Floyd released 'The Wall' I thought I had heard quite possibly the greatest piece of music in history, and then 'The Final Cut' was released. TFC is simply apalling and showed how a band can go from the peak of the mountain to the abyss.  
 
If your name was Picasso, and you painted something, and someone said it is brilliant, and a year later they came back and looked at your new painting and said something like ... it's not as good ... how would you feel?
 
From a commercial stand point you are right. From an artistic stand point you are so wrong it's not even funny. On top of it, if my name was Picasso, I might even say something like who are you to tell me what to paint? (... and he did many times, btw!)
 
And this is important, when you are looking at music. What are you asking? What do you want? ... basically you just told Pink Floyd that you wanted something but that was not what you wanted. And how the heck could Pink Floyd, or anyone else, ever know what you wanted?
 
You see the problem?
 
This is the reason why I say here in this board all the time, we have to stop thinking as commercial pundits that think that we should be the definition of music and art! It's never gonna happen. You will have the biggest revolution in your hands, no different than a religious war!
 
Art, is about change, and about doing different things. So if you don't like "The Final Cut", all you are telling me is that Pink Floyd is not the group of men that you want, or the group of artists that you want. And I'm going to say ... good luck pal ... because what you want is in your head, and you are not capable of putting it into music or paper to go do it yourself! But you will stand up and judge others because of it? ... ohh ... and on top of it make a judgement about the time that is not how many people thought or felt at all. I happen to think that "The Final Cut" was brilliant ... and more than likely also was a part of "The Wall" but it had to be cut short because it was already too long! Well, between you and I, it was not long enough for me! Not even close!
 
Please place yourself in the artists shoes before you state something like that ... it is rather sad and sometimes demeaning, and this is the reason why so many of these artists have to ignore the "public" ... you wouldn't want me to tell you how to live your life would you? Or anyone else for that matter!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 14:39
Evergrey: The Inner Circle -> Monday Morning Apocalypse.
The Inner Circle isn't even their best album, but it's still far superior to Monday Morning Apocalypse. Unfortunately Torn is even worse. It's pretty sad how the band that released the excellent In Search of Truth has gone down in flames so fast.


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Originally posted by shockedjazz shockedjazz wrote:

And, yes i have a strong antipop taste and cant stand nor of these people you said:
Sorry, but you 5 starred Piper at the Gates of Dawn and 4 starred Led Zeppelin II, so I think you don't really have anti-pop taste. ;-)
 
I agree that Gentle Giant are sort of vocal prog pop. You may not hear Knots at a club, but it's just as repetitive as most of the music they would play there.
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Lou Reed: Berlin > Sally Can't Dance > Metal Machine Music.
 
Holy mother of god what a trainwreck.
I like Metal Machine Music. Not enough to buy the album he recorded with John Zorn, but I'll probably download the Metal Machine Trio sets he has on his website.
 
I have to agree with KC, with the exception of the song Take on Me (and I'm not sure whether I like that ironically or seriously) the synths and electro drums of the '80s are inherently bad for me. They're just some of the worst ideas anybody's ever had in the music business. I think it's a generational thing.


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I dunno, maybe it's because I grew up in the 90s, but to me there is nothing that sounds worse than 80s pop. Even today on the radio when I hear some hip hop guy sample a pop song from the 80s I'm struck with how awful it is. The drum machines, the cheesy synthesizers, the over-polished vocals... It's like everything about it has been engineered to sound bad.

I hear people say a lot that Invisible Touch may not be a prog album but it is a terrific pop album. I think that IT is one of the worst pop albums I've ever heard. The unrelenting cheese is just too much for me. Maybe it's a generational thing?
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Originally posted by shockedjazz shockedjazz wrote:

Evrything could be creative compared to 80 pop, including rap, or coca-cola.

Actually there exists a lot of very creative hip hop music, you just gotta know where to look.
 
Some hip hop artists like Madlib are even progressive rock fans.
 
Quote Maybe thats the reason why i canot stand a lot Genesis material. Just the first ones, there were original compard to ¿what? to psychedelia not to mere synth pop. Everything else is decaing into mere comercialism, wich cold my heart with cliches (Material girl ¿What?Dead), i find it almost devilish Evil Smile LOL LOL

And yes, there is influences on pop and prog if you consider pop the beatles or the byrds.

Yes and other prog groups were very very influenced by The Beatles, The Beach Boys, The Byrds, Simon & Garfunkel, Beat music like The Hollies and The Zombies, Tin Pan Alley and even Motown.  Shucks, Pop music is actually quite important in the development of progressive rock, Moody Blues and Genesis started out as straight up pop bands.
 
Of course pop music is an incredibly broad musical definition. As pop has been used to describe everything from The Beach Boys to The Jesus and Mary Chain, I wouldn't just casually write off everything that's "pop". Jazz was birthed from ragtime and dixieland, which was very much considered "pop" music.
 
Even classical music composers like Mozart and Beethoven, some may consider them the original "pop" musicians.
 
So unless you hate all of that stuff, you can't be truly "antipop", almost everything has some pop in it.
 
Quote And, yes i have a strong antipop taste and cant stand nor of these people you said:
Madonna?? is serious??? Embarrassed
You can torture me with these music.
 
No I'm totally serious. In the 80s I think she was a very strong and consistant singles artist and I'd certainly take The Immaculate Collection over most of today's pop music.
 
Quote And Gentle giant is not poppie if by poppie you mean Madonna, maybe poppie as Caravan WinkTongue
But anyway if there is a justification of considering Gentle giant poppie. One thing i know is a dont consider "Knots" poppie. Cant imagine how could the put that in a discotheque.
 
Why not? I'm not saying it's not prog, but there's a lot of pop tucked in there.
 
The Shulmans started out as straight up pop musicians and they once released a record so poppy that it was thought to have been recorded by The Beatles under a different name. What they did with Gentle Giant was a more sophisticated kind of pop music, combining pop sensibilities with classical ones. Progressive pop.


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"Fragile" less than "close to edge", good but dissapointing IMO
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Well i can stand Talking Heads Wink Smile . I love "Remain in light". And the live versions are wonderfull.Clap
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Evrything could be creative compared to 80 pop, including rap, or coca-cola.

Maybe thats the reason why i canot stand a lot Genesis material. Just the first ones, there were original compard to ¿what? to psychedelia not to mere synth pop. Everything else is decaing into mere comercialism, wich cold my heart with cliches (Material girl ¿What?Dead), i find it almost devilish Evil Smile LOL LOL

And yes, there is influences on pop and prog if you consider pop the beatles or the byrds.

And, yes i have a strong antipop taste and cant stand nor of these people you said:
Madonna?? is serious??? Embarrassed

You can torture me with these music.
And Gentle giant is not poppie if by poppie you mean Madonna, maybe poppie as Caravan WinkTongue
But anyway if there is a justification of considering Gentle giant poppie. One thing i know is a dont consider "Knots" poppie. Cant imagine how could the put that in a discotheque.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:49
IQ's The Wake released in 1985 had a dark impressive beauty. Totally uncomprmising prog that almost had a punk feel to it.Best neo prog album of that era IMO.
 
I had so much anticipation for the next album and dear ole dear what a horrible let down. Nomzamo (1987) not only had a different singer but the dark edgy prog was now replaced by AOR glossy overload like some third rate version of Asia. There was even a love duet.Shocked
 
My opinion of IQ took such a dive that it was only about 10 years after that I discovered that Peter Nicholls had returned (some 5 years earlier) and they were back to making the kind of music I loved (Subterannea)
 
Nomzamo doesn't seem so bad now and has its moments although it still easily rates at the bottom of their album releases.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:15
I don't know what you guys are talking about. Every single prog album is a masterpiece.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 10:04
Originally posted by shockedjazz shockedjazz wrote:

90125 great pop !? . I cant agree the beatles are great pop, pop of the 80 is the greatest expresion of dullness. "Owner of a lonely heart" makes me mad make me wanna throw all my yes discs by the window. The band was so great in the 70! it have something very sad seeing those angelical psychedelic gods transforming into very nasty cliches...something about the hippies turning into yuppies IMO.

First off writing off all 80s pop doesn't fly with me, pop music is just as legitimate of a genre as any genre including prog. And I personally think pop music was better in the 80s than progressive rock was in the 80s, then again most neo prog bores me.
 
I'd take Thriller over Script for a Jester's Tear any day of the week.
 
Quote And Lets dance is horrid in comparision with aladin sane, ziggy stardust, the man who sold the world and of course to scary monsters.
 
MOST albums are horrid compared to those. LOL
 
But I'm not comparing that album to those anyway, it's a different album in a different style made in a different era, why would I compare it to Ziggy Stardust or Alladin Sane?
 
Except for the fact that Let's Dance isn't any more pop music for the 80s than Ziggy was pop music for the 70s.
 
I wish proggies wouldn't be so blatantly anti-pop all the time, when all kinds of prog bands have blatant pop influences even in their "prog" material. Don't tell me Gentle Giant weren't poppy.
 
A lot of my favorite pop is from the 80s in particular. MJ, Prince, Talking Heads, The Police, a lot of New Wave stuff. I even like some Madonna, I won't lie.
 
There was some terrible pop from the 80s as with any decade (including the 60s and 70s) and as with any genre, but if you guys think Yes and Genesis were the worst of pop music in the 80s I dunno what to say, other than you need to re-jog your memory because what they did was really creative compared to some of the most generic stuff.
 
Jefferson Starship anyone?


Edited by boo boo - April 27 2010 at 10:09
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