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greenback

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:39

not masterpiece at all:

tales from topog

lamb lies down

farewell to kings

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:30

Logos wrote:

Close to the Edge is NOT a masterpiece. There's no point in making an 18 minute epic if it's not even remotely interesting. Siberian Khatru IMO is a classic tune but the other two songs

Well, that's just it, it is very interesting, which was the point in making it.

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:17

Close to the Edge is NOT a masterpiece. There's no point in making an 18 minute epic if it's not even remotely interesting. Siberian Khatru IMO is a classic tune but the other two songs

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 11:59

PROGMAN wrote:

Selling England by the Pound by Genesis is a masterpiece.

Yes, mostly, but "The Battle of Epping Forest" --- I don't know, it just never takes off for me and is too long. Maybe you have to be British or something to "get" it.

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 09:25

Selling England by the Pound by Genesis is a masterpiece.

CYMRU AM BYTH

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 06:30

'tis easy:

All the albums I really love are masterpieces and the one's I dont-arent! Big smile

Simple. Wink

Alfi

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:58

I agree with the pimp:

Aphrodite's Child - 666 is clearly a masterpeace in my opinion
together with:
Camel - Mirage
King Crimson - Lark's Tongues
Yes - Close To The Edge

as best album of all time I would go for:
Genesis - Selling England
but as someone already said:
I know what I Like and More Fool Me are really crappy songs - really unfortunate !
so however I will go for:
Los Canarios - Ciclos
I think that this is really the best prog albumn ever made

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:49

The Wall.....the PF sound really changes on this record....the vocals lack emotion and harmony.....the music, outside of a few groovy bursts by Gilmour, is pretty flat....the sign of a dying band

Camel - Mirage.....great record but not in my first tier.....the keys tend to dominate....MORE GUITAR.....MORE FLUTE.....MORE HARMONIES......AND STOP THOSE LAME VOCALS!

Yes - Relayer.....groovy in spots.....too "noisy"

Rush - 2112.....eight-grade pomp rock.....ditto Kansas and Styx

King Crimson - In the Court of..../In the Wake of.... the first two LPs are inseperable clones.....the lulls in the albums often don't even register on the speakers....you've got to play it at top volume to hear some of the passages, so you get really soft/really loud, which can be a good thing, but not here.....love the next two LPs though

Van der Graff - Pawn Hearts.....interesting, but far from essential

Marillion and Dream Theater.....though I've tried, I just can't get into them.....I'm stuck in the 70s - not doubt - but what a groovy place to be stuck!

I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:49

ELP Trilogy

Oldfield Tubolar Bells

Pink Floyd The Wall

Good albums, but in my opinion not masterpieces!

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 05:37

ALL Pink Floyd albums are too much overrated!

Close To The Edge is overrated!

ELPs albums are overrated too!

Jethro Tulls Thick As A Brick is overrated too!

Rush is overrated group! etc. etc.

I dont want to say with this, that i dont like these albums.

I think all UK prog is little overrated, only because these groups were the first, who gained popularity. Many Italian albums are better in terms of musicianship, invention and emotion.

Now im going to hide myself!

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 04:45

Masterpiece means different things to different people. With regard to some of the big prog 'masterpieces' that get discussed around here, my opinion would be as follows..

CTTE - Excellent album, but not a masterpiece
Dark side of the Moon - Not bad. 7/10 perhaps. No way a masterpiece.
Brain Salad Surgery - Poor album. I'm completely missing the point with this, I think..
ITCOTCK - Strong debut and groundbreaking. Not a masterpiece though
Thick as a brick - My top Tull album, but I dont think they ever recorded an album that I regard as a masterpiece.

My idea of masterpieces are:

Moving Pictures - Rush
Permenant Waves - Rush
Foxtrot - Genesis
The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - Genesis
A Trick of the Tail - Genesis
In the Region of the Summer Stars - The Enid
Moonmadness - Camel
Script for a jesters Tear - Marillion
Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
Ashes are Burning - Rennaisance

Its all a matter of opinion.

Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 04:24

Titan wrote:

We have a lot of "masterpieces": Dark Side Of The moon, Close To the edge, Foxtrot, Wish you were here etc.

iam curious which "masterpieces" you dont consider as masterpiece

for example me:

Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)

All the ones you quote are over-rated masterpieces in my opinion!
Classic albums for sure, but not masterpieces.

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:45

I must be an easy man... I had a look at the Top 50 in the home page and I found I liked ALL of them (though I of course would change the order of many of them). Maybe Dream Theater's Train of Thought shouldn't be there but anyway... I had to punch on the "Top 100" button to find The Mars Volta in the 72th position... How can people be claiming that to be a masterpiece of prog is well beyond my understanding...

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:41

Genesis - The lamb lies down...

Jethro Tull - Passion play

ELP - Brain salad surgery / Trilogy

Caravan - In the land of grey and pink

Area - Gli dei se ne vanno, gli arrabbiati restano (is rated as their best 4.67 stars!!! but it is the worst of an amazing band like Area!!!!)

...but i don't think Close to the edge or Dark side of the moon are overrated!

For every truth even the contrary is true...

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 03:01

Don't call me iconoclast, but I think that The Dark Side of the Moon is good but really overrated.

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 02:45

Walker wrote:

Genesis - Lamb Lies Down...

Jethro Tull - A Passion Play

Agreed. Also The Wall. Music should be more important than the story. Caravan's In The Land of Grey and Pink is also a bit overrated, though I enjoy it a lot. (I leave unmentioned the bands I don't like in the first place.)

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 02:42

Titan wrote:

Close to the edge: really great album without doubt, but too overrated, i heard a lot of better albums than this, Yes has better albums imo, (Relayer)

That's my opinion too. I rate Relayer (and also Fragile and Going For The One) higher than CTTE.

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Posted: May 24 2005 at 02:40

Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here.

I love Shine On You Crazy Diamond, one of my favourite epics ever, but I find the rest of the album not very interesting. I think Dark Side Of The Moon is much better.

Walker

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