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The Truth 
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 Posted: June 27 2010 at 20:06 |
As a fricking who cares, I say as long as it's good music, I'll listen to it regardless of lyrical content blatant or not. 
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flower-of-scots
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 20:00 |
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As an aethiest....i don't care about any religion, and my music should be religion free, however if there are religious overtones then so be it..does'n't mean i have to subscribe to that diatribe.
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rod65
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Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:05 |
 kiwi wrote:
Was listening to I'll find my way home this morning by Jon and Vangelis. "...One world we all come from, one world we melt into one..." State of Independence" is perhaps the most progressive song on that album (Friends of Mr Cairo) and also has inspired lyrics.
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I've always loved that album, and particularly that song.
More broadly, after pondering the central question on this thread for the last few days and wondering why I enjoy well-crafted religious art so much, I've some to the conclusion that this particular appreciation is part of a larger pattern: anything that helps me ponder, or offers insight into, the universe beyond my own limited perspective is, almost by definition, interesting. I think in fact that one of the functions of the arts, and in narrative art this goes at least as far back as Gilgamesh (itself a very religious poem), is to address the listener/viewer/reader in just such a way--to make, or try to make, the incomprehensible approachable. Even someone with a (mostly) rational world view, such as myself, can benefit from periodic immersions into myth in any of its forms. Our individual points of view, as I've said, are always and necessarily limited.
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kiwi
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 19:36 |
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Was listening to I'll find my way home this morning by Jon and Vangelis. "...One world we all come from, one world we melt into one..." State of Independence" is perhaps the most progressive song on that album (Friends of Mr Cairo) and also has inspired lyrics.
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We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high.. (Baha'u'llah)
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 19:28 |
Pilkenton wrote:
I don't know if anyone's mentioned the Doobie Brothers "Jesus is just Alright." |
Wow haven't heard that one in a while but as soon as you mentioned it the music popped into my head.  Jesus is actually alright with me. Right wing Jesus I don't recognize.
Edited by Slartibartfast - June 29 2010 at 05:53
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Pilkenton
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Posted: June 25 2010 at 19:10 |
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I don't know if anyone's mentioned the Doobie Brothers "Jesus is just Alright."
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kiwi
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:25 |
rod65 wrote:
For me, religion is one among many sources of inspiration for art. While I am not religious myself, I have a deep appreciation of both music and other art forms produced under the influence of one religion or another, one mythology or another, one world view or another--and the wider I range in this manner, the more enriched I become. What matters to me is not that a particular piece is or isn't religious, but rather whether its guiding inspiration, religious or otherwise, is presented in a heavy-handed manner or with some sense of artistry. If the former, I don't like it, even if I agree with its ideas; if the latter, I tend to like or at least respect it, even if I disagree with where it is coming from.
What a narrow world we would live in, if we only let ourselves appreciate the music of like-minded people. |
Go Rod65! A nice piece of inclusive appreciation. 
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We, verily, have made music as a ladder for your souls, a means whereby they may be lifted up unto the realm on high.. (Baha'u'llah)
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rod65
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Posted: June 24 2010 at 20:05 |
For me, religion is one among many sources of inspiration for art. While I am not religious myself, I have a deep appreciation of both music and other art forms produced under the influence of one religion or another, one mythology or another, one world view or another--and the wider I range in this manner, the more enriched I become. What matters to me is not that a particular piece is or isn't religious, but rather whether its guiding inspiration, religious or otherwise, is presented in a heavy-handed manner or with some sense of artistry. If the former, I don't like it, even if I agree with its ideas; if the latter, I tend to like or at least respect it, even if I disagree with where it is coming from.
What a narrow world we would live in, if we only let ourselves appreciate the music of like-minded people.
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Marty McFly
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 17:26 |
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^ Nevermind, most of us already forget what was said 10 pages before anyway :-) And history indeed is repeating itself.
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my
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zachfive
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 16:59 |
Im not keen on religion, and Jericho by Arena is a badass song.
That being said, if I like the way a song sounds, and the message is not crammed down my throat, I can enjoy it. Just the way some super religious person should be able to enjoy a well written song opposing their own beliefs.
Didn't do a whole bunch of back reading so sorry if I am rephrasing what has already been said by others...
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Marty McFly
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 14:35 |
^ I suppose that people can go off topic a little bit, because I, original poster, am one of them :-D
As long as we stay out of insults and bad mood, I'm OK:
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my
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elder08
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 12:37 |
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Yeah it seems people are getting off topic and ignoring the original statement about prog artists placing hints of religion in they're music
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"There are people who say we [Pink Floyd] should make room for younger bands. That's not the way it works. They can make their own room."- David Gilmour
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progfannick1991
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 12:36 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
A simply fascinating thread here that takes twists and turns and goes off topic and discussed everything from the Koran, Muslims, copyright issues, attacking catholicism, Protestantism, Atheism vs Christianity, discussions on homosexuality, lyrics of satanic bands, Neal Morse was targetted, and then lately mentioned Ajalon and this latest post music that releases the soul. It makes for some enlightening and entertaining reading, Someone should publish this in a book; it pretty much sums up the thinking of modern society encompassing values and beliefs from every corner of the globe.
One of the best threads I have read. |
This thread has almost as many twists and turns as a prog song itself
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elder08
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 12:32 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
A simply fascinating thread here that takes twists and turns and goes off topic and discussed everything from the Koran, Muslims, copyright issues, attacking catholicism, Protestantism, Atheism vs Christianity, discussions on homosexuality, lyrics of satanic bands, Neal Morse was targetted, and then lately mentioned Ajalon and this latest post music that releases the soul. It makes for some enlightening and entertaining reading, Someone should publish this in a book; it pretty much sums up the thinking of modern society encompassing values and beliefs from every corner of the globe.
One of the best threads I have read. |
Nicely put ACR nicely put what I was trying to say is just let people write what they want and if you have a problem simply stop listening
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"There are people who say we [Pink Floyd] should make room for younger bands. That's not the way it works. They can make their own room."- David Gilmour
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elder08
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 12:28 |
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Well with music as an art form you can express your self in anyway and normally when writing you write about things that are important in your life now see if I was Peter Gabriel and I was a very good follower of whatever it is that god says then yeah I would be influenced to write a song about him or Christianity as a whole. That would be like if I wrote a song about my drumset and you were turned off by the idea because you much prefer a ddrum than a pearl drum. If that was to any clarity to you im just trying to say that people who are large in what they believe are going to continue to write things that are dealing with them religion being a major part.
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"There are people who say we [Pink Floyd] should make room for younger bands. That's not the way it works. They can make their own room."- David Gilmour
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 11:30 |
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When did Peter Gabriel ever write religious lyrics? Some Genesis have biblical references, but some lines say quite the opposite.
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: June 23 2010 at 11:21 |
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Too much to read too little time. In regards to religious lyrics I am turned off by them unless I find the psychology behind them fascinating (Bob Dylan) or head-shakeworthy (Peter Gabriel).
You'll find most singers and bands don't have the balls to come out with their religious spiel. They'll forego religion usually, though most in the West believe in God, or they'll stir around in vague generalizations, not mentioning specific religious subjects.
What I do find irritating is when smart, agnostic or atheist singers use devices such as "God Knows" like Atheist Greg Lake does on the ELPowell album, if I remember.
As for the seriously religious stances, the ones we should take seriously that is, such as Bob Dylan's Slow Train Coming, they are important as documents of human desperation and alienation. As John Lennon says: "God is a concept by which we measure our pain."
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Gerinski
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Posted: June 21 2010 at 14:32 |
Lyrics have to talk about something, but it's much preferable when they do so subtly and indirectly rather than saying something straight in the face.
I don't mind religious-oriented lyrics when they are embedded in a context or storyline (such as Neal Morse's One, ?, or Sola Scriptura, or Jesus Christ Superstar) or when they are cryptical (The Lamb was probably not intentionally religious but there's no question that the story has a lot of religious references, albeit in a delightful surrealistic twist).
But straight-in-the-face evangelical lyrics such as in the short ballads of Morse's Lifeline have very little interest to me and can really put me off.
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progfannick1991
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Posted: June 21 2010 at 01:28 |
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As a devout Christian, I sometimes wonder about the lyrical content of progressive rock (or any music for that matter) and how it helps me spiritually. That being said, I don't mind bands with extreme Christian or extreme anti-Christian overtones, as long as that's not ALL the band is about. I find that bands with only one subject of lyrics to be quite bland, regardless of the nature of the lyrics. Black metal tends to get old for me just as fast as Christian metal does (and both are horrifically contrived and cheesy in their own way). However, prog isn't as guilty of overt "preachyness" or "anti-preachiness" as, say, gospel or punk, respectively.
However, if you want to listen to some great Christian rock/metal that's not over the top preachy with some good music, I recommend Narnia (basically Yngwie Malmsteen with Christian overtones) and Antestor (just...dark stuff. Definitely not your stereotypical Christian band). Plus, you can't go wrong with some good old fashioned sacred music (which is by nature overtly preachy).
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 21 2010 at 01:04 |
Marty McFly wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
Iīm a fan of music that conveys me to other places where I canīt find my feet - and I feel like Iīm stuck in a giant space-see-saw ripping me back and forth - leaving small fields of aroused chicken-nipples on my skin.
If people want to call it religion - beeing touched by the hand of god - or maybe orgasming with the most beautiful woman in the world - whatever you wanna call it, put a bumpersticker on it and call it instant soul release - I only find religion expressed in music dull, when it seeks to educate - rather than tell amazing stories.
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Please explain (or someone else), who she could be, because I don't have slightest idea. Of course, if you find yourself in this state of mind and body, this is possible. There are also differences between USA/UK/East European or South European thinking about religion and religious songs.
Thank you Scott, this thread makes me a little bit confused, something like: I really started this ? I really participated in it ? :-D |
What I mean to say is more in the vein of: people find different channels of enlightenment - things that make you go: This is what I love most about life!!! - things that sets your heart on fire and drives you forth... - we (well the majority of folks around this site Iīd gather) just find and seek it in music - whereas others might find it in Paintings, Books, Nature, S/M Bondage, Diving with sharks, Flying a rocket straight towards the sun - whatever floats your boat, everything goes, different strokes for different folks, some like it hot! and others trap themselves in a giant ice cube for a couple of days... I think no one spoke more eloquently about these matters than the Beat-generation - authors like Kerouac, Ginsberg and Burroughs to name a few - certainly Kerouacīs wonderful depiction of "It!" intertwined in jazzy dreamlike sentences of mad men who scream back at the bopping saxophone wails,- truly put into words what I had been thinking for years - transforming my theories into butterflies. The most beautiful woman in the world is in the making and actually under construction as we speak - Please post your orders here - I give no refunds - only thrills
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