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Miaugion 
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 Posted: April 24 2005 at 06:47 |
1) Caught Somewhere in Time
2) Rime of the Ancient Mariner
3) Hallowed be thy Name
4) Wasted Years
5) The Trooper
... or something like that. There are just too many good songs.
Up the Irons! 
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You house proud town mouse
ha ha, charade you are
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AngelRat
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 06:27 |
I can listen to Yes, Genesis, KC AND Iron Maiden. And ABBA. Dream Theater often make me feel sleepy. My Maiden top 5 would be:
- Caught Somewhere In Time
- Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
- To Tame A Land
- Murders In The Rue Morgue
- Powerslave
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 06:03 |
 Manunkind wrote:
See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.
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My dear Frenchie, I don't take them seriously at all. I just laugh when I listen to their music for adolescents. I just can't understand how people that listen to Yes, Genesis or King Crimson can even survive more than 5 minutes of Iron Maiden crap.
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henri_ds
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:48 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
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Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not
quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen
to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about. |
I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members
(except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog'
influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.
But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's
music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.
Iván |
I find it interesting, because I have the impression that many prog
bands from the 70's wrote far more "undefined structures" than
DT...
Listen to tracks like Trial Of Tears, Scarred, Learning To Live, The
Great Debate : Are these songs "without structure" ? I dont think so.
Technically, they're the same as prog band's songs : Melodical
developpements, reccurent themes, different sections etc....And small
songs like Disappear, Hollow Years etc...follow the classical "Rock
song structure"...
I could somehow accept that some people find them boring, but,
unstructured songs ? I don't see it (well, the very exception would be
"The Dance Of Eternity"...craziest instrumental !!!)
And, stop dissing LaBrie, for christsakes. For someone who appears more
than 2h30 a night every night during worldtours, he does a great job.
And, you'll say whatever you want, but I can't see any other vocalist
for DT. Dickinson is THE voice of Maiden, so is LaBrie for DT. I
don't say he's the best, I say that he's the most fitting vocalist for
DT. 
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Manunkind
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:07 |
See Frenchie? Here's someone who takes Iron Maiden too seriously and therefore can't see their real value.
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:04 |
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Manunkind
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:03 |
frenchie wrote:
Most of the songs i have heard by Maiden have Bruce on vocals and his voice is so childish as are the lyrics, songs like run to the hills, the evil that men do, bring your daughter to the slaughter. I fail to see why they are a good metal band because i can never take them seriously, they just pomp around on stage with giant eddies and pyro and all that crap and the music sounds so immature.
Can anyone recommend me some really seriously crafted songs by this band (if there are any), even the recent dance of death was disapointing to me, and mostly the number of the beast, which is meant to be their best album, sounds like a complete doddle. |
Frenchie, Iron Maiden are supposed to sound that way. That's one of the main reasons they're so good. If you take these guys (and a lot of metal, prog and some other genres) seriously, you'll never get any pleasure out of them. Not that there's much wrong with taking music seriously, but the key to Iron Maiden and many similar bands (although doubtlessly talented) is good-natured laughter . For me at least, DT are not really an exception here. Although I don't approach them with the same level of warm-hearted irony as IM, I find myself unable to take them seriously and still enjoy them. To me both bands are just very good fun - and I'm more than certain it takes plenty of talent and hard work for a band to be "just very good fun".
Here's my top five, maybe you'll find these songs crafty:
1. The Nomad
2. Judas Be My Guide
3. Blood Brothers
4. Can I Play With Madness
5. No More Lies
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Pablo_P
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 05:01 |
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1. Seventh Son Of Seventh Son
2. Run To The Hills
3. Fear Of The Dark (Live)
4.
Rime of the Ancient Mariner
5. The Nomad
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Pablo P.
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Trotsky
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 02:53 |
1. Hallowed Be Thy Name
2. Revalations
3. Children Of The Damned
4. Rime Of the Ancient Mariner
5. No Prayer For The Dying
But there are countless others that came close like Flight Of Icarus,
The Clairvoyant, Alexander The Great, Wasted Years, Stranger In A
Stranger Land ...
And you know ... even though Dream Theatre and Tool and 50 other bands
are prog-metal and Maiden aren't ... Iron Maiden always has more to
offer me ... whatta band 
In an interview with Steve Harris I did for a Malaysian paper (four or
five years ago when Bruce rejoined the band) he cited Genesis' Foxtrot
and Wishbone Ash's Argus as being albums that really influenced him as
a bass player and songwriter ... he also said that Piece Of Mind was
his favourite Maiden album for a long time, but he suddenly decided he
preferred 7th Son ...
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"Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.”
"No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present."
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Rob The Good
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Posted: April 24 2005 at 01:28 |
Rime of the Ancient Mariner is GREAT
Aces High
Fear of the Dark
Powerslave
The Wicker Man
Oh, and of course Iron Maiden are more Prog than Dream Theater!!! (Mind you, how hard is that...) 
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 22:58 |
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No Rime of the Ancient Mariner?
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James Lee
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 22:54 |
Hallowed be thy Name (Cradle of Filth does a great cover version, too)
Number of the Beast (it's a Lovecraftian fantasy set to music!)
Powerslave (love that spooky intro and the faux-egyptian soloing!)
The Prisoner (a damn solid tune even without the references)
Wrathchild ('Killers' in general had some great overlooked songs, Murders in the Rue Morgue is a favorite too)
Wasted Years (pretty heartfelt, in a metal way...)
I kinda lost track of Maiden after Somewhere in Time, so no favorites from then on.
I have a soft spot for "Rime" but musically it doesn't do as much for me as some of the more energetic pieces. It gets a little cookin' near the end, though! 
Maybe not prog, or even fully prog-metal, but just as worthy of discussion as anything else we've talked about that's not in the archives.
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greenback
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 22:03 |
I can't believe nobody thought about the real best Maiden's track:
GENGHIS KHAN!
How can this be POSSIBLE??????!!!!!???????!!!!!!!!!!
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:37 |
| I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about. |
I have to be honest with you King of Loss, I believe all DT members (except La Brie) are very talented) I recognize they have Prog' influence, but I find no defined structure, only many solos united by short passages of music.
But the main problem is that I like Iron Maiden, but I dislike DT's music, so my opinion is as subjective as the one from DT fans.
Iván
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:28 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Karnevil9 wrote:
M@X wrote:
Arteum wrote:
Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?
 
It's my favourite.
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The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!
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M@X
Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?
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He who dare's win's Rodney..He who dare's wins.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:21 |
Karnevil9 wrote:
M@X wrote:
Arteum wrote:
Where is 'The 7th Son of the 7th Son'?
It's my favourite.
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The middle instrumental riff is SUPERB !!!
Giving me chills every time !!!
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M@X
Can i ask why you are allowing yourself & others to carry on with Iron maiden thing in a prog forums main discussion page,thay are clearly not prog rock.The beales threads were moved from Main so why not these?
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 21:02 |
The only Maiden thing i applaude is certain members are prisoner fans,but that does'nt alter anything i've stated previously
''I am not a number,i'm a free man''
Information...You won't get it..
By hook or by crook we will
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King of Loss
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:54 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
King of Loss wrote:
| Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis. |
This quote leaves no room for my opinion, the main members of the band in question gave their opinion.
Maiden is also a metal band with progressive influence.
Iván
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I'm going to agree with you on there. Iron Maiden definitely has Progressive influences, but its just not quite as evident as the Progressive influences in Dream Theater. Listen to the IAW album and you'll know what I'm talking about.
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King of Loss
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:53 |
frenchie wrote:
speaking of iron maiden, dream theater did a cover of the whole number of the beast album, they have also done concerts with bruce dick-in-son i think. I think you can buy this on the official DT website as an official bootleg
official bootleg, now there's an oxymoron!
You can see them talking about this on the tour diary of the live at budokan DVD They have also covered the whole of Master of Puppets by Metallica too but its shoddy quality. |
Yes, Yes and Yes That's true. If you paused your ToT Japanese tour video, you can see that they've performed an entire Iron Maiden album at their small club Osaka show.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 23 2005 at 20:52 |
King of Loss wrote:
| Actually according to Jordan Rudess and Mike Portnoy, Dream Theater is a Heavy Metal band that is heavily influenced by Progressive Rock bands like Pink Floyd, Yes, Rush and Genesis. |
This quote leaves no room for my opinion, the main members of the band in question gave their opinion.
Maiden is also a metal band with progressive influence.
Iván
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