Meshuggah Appreciation Thread

Love these guys to bits but I will admit they are a very recent discovery for me (thank you iTunes)

Jake Kobrin wrote: Dude, if you say that about the vocals in 'Shugg then you obviously don't understand them. They're NOT supposed to be used like melodic instrument, as nothing else in the band is. They're used, like their drums, guitar, and bass, as a RHYTHMIC tool... like a second set of percussion.

yup. And that's why they have to be shouted.

Vibrationbaby wrote: Wow ! The invasion of the metal heads  ! The thing about all these death metal bands that ruins for me is the annoying satanic vocals . I actually took the time to listen to these guys ( I think Meshugga means something like insane or crazy in Hebrew ) and if they would just knock off those assinine vocals maybe there`s something here. I kind of liked the insanity that Mind`s Mirrors evoked sort of reminded me of some Hawkwind from the 80s. I watched the two videos Straws Pulled At Random and Shed and at leasst the latter is a bit more upbeat and reminds me of Crimson`s Thrak & Vroom album & EP  a little. I own a lot of older heavier albums from Sabbath, Priest, Ministry, Rammstein, Laibach, Soundgarden etc. but these newer bands just blow it for me with the Satan vocals.

For a start, Meshuggah isn't even a death metal band.
I don't see how anyone can confuse what it obviously an experimental/tech/groove metal band with a death metal band.
They have completely and utterly different musical characteristics.
Honestly, I'm starting to find it ridiculous that people come into threads, make up blatant rubbish like that, display a complete lack of knowledge/ignorance of a band/genre, and expect to still maintain credibility for their argument and expect not to receive backlash.

Satan vocals? What are Satan vocals?
Death Metal vocals are called death growls, not Satan vocals.
What you hear in Meshuggah are vocals very much similar to hardcore screams.
A completely different vocal style to "SATAN VOCALS".

I don't go into a Yes thread for example and say "well, Yes wasn't an influential" when clearly that is not the case (an example of just posting blatant made up crap in a thread).
If I, or others don't do that, I except the same kinda of respect back from other forum members.

I think it would have been reasonable enough just to say "I don't like death metal style vocals". I think many of us can agree on that.

And lastly, it's posts like those that ruin Appreciation Threads.

Again, I don't go into a Caravan Appreciation thread and say "Well, personally I think Soft Machine is a far superior Canterbury band".
I'd rather let all the hardcore fans just have the thread to show their love and appreciation for the band, just leave them alone without trolling a thread that was clearly not made for people to come in and bash a band.
Think about how you would feel if someone came into your appreciation thread and bashed one of your favorite bands, before you go into another person's thread and bash their favorite band.
It's all I ask.

^ Kinda like with Opeth... well, actually Opeth is even more problematic here, getting read of the growls would mean having to rewrite most of the instrumental sections. 

Vibrationbaby wrote: Wow ! The invasion of the metal heads  ! The thing about all these death metal bands that ruins for me is the annoying satanic vocals . I actually took the time to listen to these guys ( I think Meshugga means something like insane or crazy in Hebrew ) and if they would just knock off those assinine vocals maybe there`s something here. I kind of liked the insanity that Mind`s Mirrors evoked sort of reminded me of some Hawkwind from the 80s. I watched the two videos Straws Pulled At Random and Shed and at leasst the latter is a bit more upbeat and reminds me of Crimson`s Thrak & Vroom album & EP  a little. I own a lot of older heavier albums from Sabbath, Priest, Ministry, Rammstein, Laibach, Soundgarden etc. but these newer bands just blow it for me with the Satan vocals.

Eh, these aren't 'satanic' vocals, more like hardcore (the genre) ones. And you'd have to get rid of vocals altogether, no freaking way you can have anything in the way of clean vocals in Meshuggah, they'd come off even flatter than the present shouted ones.

Removing vocals wouldn't be a major loss, but if you're to keep vocals in at all, this is the way they have to be.

Wow ! The invasion of the metal heads  ! The thing about all these death metal bands that ruins for me is the annoying satanic vocals . I actually took the time to listen to these guys ( I think Meshugga means something like insane or crazy in Hebrew ) and if they would just knock off those assinine vocals maybe there`s something here. I kind of liked the insanity that Mind`s Mirrors evoked sort of reminded me of some Hawkwind from the 80s. I watched the two videos Straws Pulled At Random and Shed and at leasst the latter is a bit more upbeat and reminds me of Crimson`s Thrak & Vroom album & EP  a little. I own a lot of older heavier albums from Sabbath, Priest, Ministry, Rammstein, Laibach, Soundgarden etc. but these newer bands just blow it for me with the Satan vocals. 

They have yet to release something that has disappointed me.
Consistently awesome band.

DJPuffyLemon wrote: I have only ever heard their 22 minute single titled I. And I was pretty bored to be honest. Maybve not the best place to start. Suggestions?   on a side note, i'm all for technicallity (its one of the reasons i like Protest the hero), but i also like when the technicallity doesn't destroy the musicallity of the band (another reason i like Protest the hero). so perhaps if this band sacrifies musicallity and listenability for technicallity it may not be my bag. I'm still willing to give them a shot though.

I first tried them out a few years ago with Chaosphere and found it to be mostly a blur.  Then last year I decided to try again, with catch thirtythr33.  That one hooked me.  I've since picked up Nothing, obZen and I.  A fine band, although clearly not for everyone.

is all!