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Poll Question: Which album has the littlest prog relation??
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So is any band that does anything new or different progressive?

I suppose Norwegian Death Metal also progressed Metal but does that make it "progressive". If so, then Kill Em All and Master of Puppets qualify.

oh whoops my head just disappeared up my own backside. i never knew my navel looked like that (from the inside).

There's a voice in my head saying "just vote and run away":

OK I voted: I don't reckon any are progressive
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by trackstoni trackstoni wrote:

  None of these albums  are progressive , except for the first 4 albums .  Heavy Metal Rock by all means , with
SOME inclination to Progressive in some Songs , specially for the Black Album and Master of Puppets , and maybe Ride the Lightning //////
 
No, there's lots of actual Progessive Rock on the first 4 albums.
 
 
It's Progressive METAL - how hard is that to understand?
 
 
There's almost nothing progressive on the Black Album - just ballads, Nu-Metal and some thrash. The Black Album just sounds better than previous albums because of Bob Rock's shiny metallic production. The songs are much less progressive as a rule than Kill 'Em All.
 
Ride the Lightning is probably the first Progessive Metal album proper, with MoP being the absolute benchmark and pinnacle of Progressive Metal composition - but KEA has moments of PROG, a la King Crimson.

If you mean that Kill 'Em All is progressive in the sense that it far exceeded anything that was heard in metal at the time, then yes, you're right. Otherwise I agree with you 100%.Clap


Also, I'd like to thank the person who resurrected this thread. It gave me a few laughs going back and reading some of the things some people had posted.LOL


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Originally posted by trackstoni trackstoni wrote:

  None of these albums  are progressive , except for the first 4 albums .  Heavy Metal Rock by all means , with
SOME inclination to Progressive in some Songs , specially for the Black Album and Master of Puppets , and maybe Ride the Lightning //////
 
No, there's lots of actual Progessive Rock on the first 4 albums.
 
 
It's Progressive METAL - how hard is that to understand?
 
 
There's almost nothing progressive on the Black Album - just ballads, Nu-Metal and some thrash. The Black Album just sounds better than previous albums because of Bob Rock's shiny metallic production. The songs are much less progressive as a rule than Kill 'Em All.
 
Ride the Lightning is probably the first Progessive Metal album proper, with MoP being the absolute benchmark and pinnacle of Progressive Metal composition - but KEA has moments of PROG, a la King Crimson.


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  None of these albums  are progressive , except for the first 4 albums .  Heavy Metal Rock by all means , with
SOME inclination to Progressive in some Songs , specially for the Black Album and Master of Puppets , and maybe Ride the Lightning //////
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Load is everything else,but prog rock!
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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Ohhhhhhhhh, I get it! They have that sort of intangible yet omnipresent influence that can't be hammered-down exactly. I understand now. Wink
 
It's completely tangible, as a matter of fact - so no, you don't understand!
 
Try again - and this time, use those flappy things either side of your head, and please try to connect it to the squidgy stuff that lies between them Wink
 
 
Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

can we go back to the topic???

 
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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Hai guyz, letz find whuever influencd xMetallicax and add them 2 prog-related-related!! *snort* *chuckle*

And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.


Is this a ploy to lure someone into spewing forth a whole list of Progarchives' Dream Theater clones just so that you can then laugh at them for listening to Dream Theater clones? Tongue
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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:



And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.
A quick that comes into mind: Death - The sound of perseverance (whole album),
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can we go back to the topic???




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Ohhhhhhhhh, I get it! They have that sort of intangible yet omnipresent influence that can't be hammered-down exactly. I understand now. Wink


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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Hai guyz, letz find whuever influencd xMetallicax and add them 2 prog-related-related!! *snort* *chuckle*
 
Well the list is incredibly long - Metallica had a huge range of influences, as did the early Prog bands - so this approach really isn't viable.
 
Besides, we don't add every band that influenced Classic Prog bands - we'd be up to our necks in folk, jazz and Classical artists and composers.
 
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:


And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.
 
Again, the list is just too long to even begin - any band that uses the thrash technique and a complex approach to structuring (ie, most Prog Metal bands) can be said to be influenced by Metallica in some way, however distant.
 
The difficulty here is not finding a band influenced by Metallica, rather it's the other way around.
 
 
If a tree falls in a forest and you don't hear it, does that mean it doesn't make a sound?
 
*snort* *chuckle*


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Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:


And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.


Not sure why you've chosen this as a personal crusade.  Nevertheless, I'll answer your question:  Opeth.  Both Akerfeldt and Lindgren have cited Metallica as a major influence.  It's not musically obvious, of course (there is the case of Orchid, but the twin-guitar harmonies are probably due more directly to the Gothenburg sound than Metallica (although the latter surely influenced the former).
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Hai guyz, letz find whuever influencd xMetallicax and add them 2 prog-related-related!! *snort* *chuckle*

And are there any other bands that Metallica supposedly influenced besides Dream Theater? I want band names and song titles or they don't exist.
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Points: 36672 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 20 2008 at 12:44
Of course Angelo already addressed his poor word choice.

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

...However, I suggest you keep an eye on the kind of language you use on these forums. Calling people names, or using words that don't pass our auto-censor function (the **** in your previous posts) don't work to your advantage. You are fully entitle to an opinion, and to presenting it, as long as you stick to arguments. If that's to hard, we'll know what exit to show you.
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Originally posted by MaidenMadness MaidenMadness wrote:

that is all. there is no more. however the fact that some faggy ass pop rock/nu metal band called metallica as well has been releasing albums since 1991 has a lot of people confused into thinking its the same band when in fact they are two completely different bands



 
 
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Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

All of them Heavy Mental Rubbish 


This post actually made me laugh, for all the wrong reasons.
I think if only because it completely broke up the serious arguments at exactly the right time.



Would've made a nice 1000th post for Hawkwise - unfortunately it was his 999th....

Anyway, let's get back on topic here - this is a poll on Metallica albums, not another thread for discussing the validitiy of their inclusion. We already have one of those.
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Originally posted by Hawkwise Hawkwise wrote:

All of them Heavy Mental Rubbish 


This post actually made me laugh, for all the wrong reasons.
I think if only because it completely broke up the serious arguments at exactly the right time.
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