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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 15:01

I'm not sure if this meets with Micky's specifications, since it is a one-off album by a "supergroup" instead of a prog rock masterpiece from a band better known for non-prog music, but I liked this album and Bob's review, hence I have added this post to this thread.

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OYSTERHEAD — The Grand Pecking Order
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4%20stars This review is long, but if you have any interest in Les Claypool, Trey Anastasio, Stewart Copeland, or just in a new legend emerging on the progressive landscape, you should take the time to read this.

Oysterhead consists of Trey Anastasio (Phish), Les Claypool (Primus), and former Police drummer Stewart Copeland, and the only reason I bought this album was to hear what Copeland would sound like after fifteen years or so away from playing in a legitimate band (I think he’s been mostly doing movie soundtracks and stuff like that since he left the Police).

Pause and form a mental picture of what you think a band with these three guys should look and sound like. Whatever you’re thinking, it’s probably off-base. Having suffered through listening to the results of contrived lineups of numerous “all-star” bands over the years, I actually expected this album to be an over-hyped flop, and after the first listen that was my initial impression, and I found myself wishing that the band’s web site had a return policy.

After a few more listens though, this album has really grown on me. There are a couple of small turds in the mix, to be sure, but overall this is a collection of songs that you can play many times and find something new almost every time. And by the way, Copeland’s drumming hasn’t lost anything in the time he’s been away. He pretty much lives above the rim the whole album, with an almost indulgent use of snares, and of what must be some pretty interesting-looking cymbals, judging from some of the funky sounds he’s coaxing out of them.

The lyrics are a mixed-bag, ranging from socially conscious to just plain silly, which isn’t surprising considering Anastasio and Claypool’s histories with their respective bands. There is a very definite aura of control by Claypool throughout, with most of the tracks having at least a hint of a Primus feel to them. But there is a bit more structure and discipline to the music than you’ll find on albums like Pork Soda or Rhinoplasty. I suppose this is largely attributable to Anastasio’s considerable skill at arranging the music, and Copeland’s well-honed commercial sensibilities. Finally, most of the songs have some degree of improvisational jamming to them, and clearly the Phish influence is shining through – I don’t think either the Police or Primus is particularly known for their spontaneity in the studio.

Clearly this band was made to be live on stage though, and their web site is pretty liberally sprinkled with free concert videos for fans to download. There is also a lengthy policy statement explaining how fans can tape live concerts for their own benefit, and even post their recordings for free distribution to other fans. I have in fact downloaded several such recordings from various amateur fan sites (placed there with the full consent of the band, I will point out!), and most of these songs sound even better live than they do on the album. So if you’re interested in the musical styles of any of these three artists, you should think of Grand Pecking Order as a solid sampler of what they will sound like live (although to my knowledge they haven’t really played live much since the supporting tour for this album back in 2001).

“Little Faces” starts off with a funky rhythm between Claypool’s bass and Copeland’s drums that has the effect of sounding like a motorcycle or poorly muffled racing engine revving up. It’s a pretty creative way to open the album, and gives way eventually into a rather extended jam that has a strong Phish feel to it. I wish I had more experience listening to both Phish and especially Primus because both Anastasio and Claypool provide vocals but they are kind of hard to tell apart.

In “Oz is Ever Floating” Claypool lays down some funky blues-influenced licks that are supported with a driving staccato beat from Copeland. I can’t tell if Claypool is using a voice box or is just synching his vocals perfectly to Anastasio’s guitar, but the effect is quite original.

“Mr. Oysterhead” is a song that is totally made to be played live. This one actually reminds me of some of the funkier early stuff the Gap Band did, except that the vocals are almost like the Beastie Boys at times. This one could easily be drawn out to eight or ten minutes in a live setting and still hold the interest of listeners.

(Billy Came Back from Vietnam) a “Shadow of a Man” has one of the few serious topics on the album. It’s a song about a man returning from Vietnam with some mental and social adjustment issues, apparently one of many victims of Agent Orange exposure. This is a reference to a rather dated social issue, but the change of tempo shows the range this group is capable of. Copeland throws in some unusual percussion that has a bit of an Oriental feel to it, and Anastasio’s guitar has kind of an ‘Apocalypse Now’ sound that sets the mood well.

I’m not sure what the point is in “Radon Balloon”, maybe some sort of nuclear reference or something. This is a rather subdued song, with Anastasio actually switching to an acoustic guitar.

Claypool’s bass sounds like he’s slapping wet noodles on “Army’s on Ecstasy”, a sarcastic dig at the mental state of some of our men and women in uniform (this is kind of a sacred-cow subject today, but keep in mind the song was written in early 2001). The vocals here are actually a bit annoying at times, especially Claypool’s ‘voice-in-a- can’ sound that reminds me of some of Klaatu’s early stuff.

I think “Rubberneck Lions” is just a bunch of pointless babbling thrown together with most of the lyrics appearing to be chosen simply because they rhyme. Anastasio wanders about with some funky licks that sound as if they were improvised in the studio. Overall this would have been just as good as an instrumental, and whoever is singing the harmony sounds a lot like Gordon Gano from Violent Femmes.

“Polka Dot Rose” is a darker kind of chant that I didn’t really get the point of, but Claypool and Copeland do a nice job of laying down a toe-tapping tempo at least.

“Birthday Boys” is an Anastasio tune, and he brings out an acoustic guitar again for this one. I gather this song is about a chick named Gina who is a bit of a tease, although I could certainly have that wrong.

I’m pretty sure “Wield the Spade” is a dig at world leaders like GW who assume their powers to be unlimited. The timing here is interesting. Oysterhead was scheduled to kick off their tour supporting the album on September 15, 2001, and their first few shows were canceled after the September 11th terrorist attacks. Although the voice on this song sounds remarkably like Al Gore, the lyrics seem almost prophetically aimed as a reference to the abuses of power the current American president has been accused post-September 11th. Kind of creepy listening to this song knowing it was written before the unfolding of the past five years’ political and social events.

The lyrics from “Pseudo Suicide” are Claypool’s, and the real-life references wrapped around the encore “’cause there ain’t no cure for suicide” undoubtedly have some sort of hidden meaning that escapes me, but probably means something to those who know him. He and Copeland seem especially inspired on this one, with a driving rhythm that is more upbeat than anywhere else on the album.

“Grand Pecking Order” is just a flat-out disgruntled-member-of-the-human-race rant. You just gotta’ love these lyrics:

“In the grand pecking order, where is it you lie? are you the tall hog at the trough, Or a piglet in the sty? On the grand ladder of life, are you near the highest rung? Or somewhere near bottom with your nose in hairy bung. And so you sniff it with a smile on your face, for to pout about would only bring disgrace – to the Grand Pecking Order”.

“Owner of the World”, I guess, is about a corporate and social climber who has reached his zenith and is now just another average Joe:

“He used to own the world, he used to be the one. Like hundred hungry dogs in heat, on cinnabar and rum; ground and sifted and washed it, dried it in the sun. But his heart just wouldn't buy it and his feet began to run. He used to be the Owner of the World, but now he's just another man, who used to be the Owner of the World”.

Anastasio closes out this last track with some very tasty licks that dance around Copeland’s simple but fast-moving beat. This is a short but sweet tune that left me expecting more after the album ended, even after I originally didn’t think the album was even worth keeping.

Like I said at the beginning, that’s what a few listens to this album will do – get you hooked and eventually you’ll probably even sing the praises of this innovative and energetic work by three well-established musical geniuses who somehow managed to break with the traditional mold of “all-star” lineups that either take themselves too seriously, or try to bite off more than they can chew. Oysterhead seems to be not only keeping their egos and ambitions in check on the album; they actually seem to be having fun doing it.

If you have a chance to pick this one up, consider it a priority – this is a record you will still be playing from time to time even years from now. If I ever get a chance to see these guys live, I will undoubtedly consider it the highlight of my social calendar for that year.

Oysterhead and Grand Pecking Order are real gems whose real genius, in the grand tradition of much of the progressive genre, will probably not be fully appreciated for many years to come.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 17:12
One of the best covers as well. I've dug many boxes of LP's just to find it, and still it eludes me. My "art collection" will never be complete without it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 17:08
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 17:06
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I should as well Greg.. I love those albums ... electronic music though is something I enjoy.. but hasn't quite 'bit' yet. I loved that Schulze album Rico recommended to me.. Mirage..  fabulous. But I still am a bit of a 'rocker' at heart...  on that note... from the Queen of Prog Related herself. Heart

Since Greg got my second album in mind.. let's go with the third.  A masterpiece....








Amazing album. I'd say it makes my top 10 - all genres.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 16:58
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Hey Micky, I gave the Max Webster debut album a couple of listens.  It was released in 1976 and it has that 1970's rock and roll feel.  It is hard for me to compare to other bands, but I do hear Kiss in the first song (might be because it is about drinking and hang overs); a bit of Traffic on a couple songs; one song reminded me of the Allman Brothers; there is a little bit of Deep Purple thrown in there as well; the vocals at times remind me a bit of Paul Rodgers; not really sure why.  Musically, Toronto Tontos is probably the proggiest, but it also has the strangest use of vocals. 
 
In case you are interested, here is a link to their website, which includes the obligatory 30 second samples.  http://www.maxwebster.ca/MW_sounds.shtml 


thanks...  putting together an order now.. I think this one will find a place on it. Thanks Scott.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 16:47
Another Canadian band and album I would like to throw out there is Generation 13 by Saga.  I think it is a shame that Saga is still included in Prog Related and that they haven't been moved to a full-fledged prog category: most likely Crossover Prog.  Most everyone knows Worlds Apart, but many of you don't know that they came back a number of years later and released a concept album called Generation 13.
 
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Here is a 4 star review which does a nice job of talking about this album:
 
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4%20stars 'Generation 13' is Saga's top achievement: after a not so impressive return to the music arena in the early 90s, with two albums that simply had some interesting moments, 'Generation 13' showed a band that decided to challenge itself massively. This concept album centered upon the current youth's obsession for futile pleasures and inability to cherish the real good things in life (including love) is a continuous musical journey that relates Sam's wicked way of life until he dramatically finds out that what he needs is redemption. The performances are extremely sensitive in the most emotional and introspective numbers, while heavily ballsy in the rockier ones. The interplay between all members is awesome and fresh, given the fact that most of the band's inputs were exclusively recorded live in the studio. What else can I say about Negus' tight drumming, Ian Crichton's superb guitar playing, and Gilmour's precision in his keyboard duties that hasn't been said before? Anyway, their skills shine here brighter than never before, due to the strength and variety of the material contained in this record. As always, Jim Crichton's bass playing is subdued and accurately subordinaed to Negus' trends (as a bassist) and Gilmour's ambiences (as a bass synth player), and Sadler keeps the usual level of singing versatility, as well as a good complementary activity on his supporting keyboards - he even dares to play some tasteful bombastic pipe organ!! The first two tracks make an impressive entry: first, a piano club ballad accompanied by Sadler's almost sleepy singing; then, an explosive heavy number that includes a medely of some of the following track's main melodic lines. If you're hooked by now, this album won't let go of you. Other outstanding rocky numbers -'The Cross (Home # 3)', 'The Growing Tree', 'Generation 13 (Theme # 2)'. But if you're more into emotionally deep pieces, here is ' 'I'll Never Be Like You (Once Again)'; or if you want your typical symph prog bombast, you've got 'Snake Oil'/'We Hope You're Feeling Better', and also the fiery climax created by the cinematographic sequence that goes from 'One Small Step' to 'We Hope You're Feeling Better (# 2)'. The 'My Name is Sam' tracks are designed under the patterns of industrial technopop, in order to portray the hedonistic ambient of discoteque-goers, and 'No Strings Attached' takes a bluesy cynical look into the implicit selfishness in the cult of beauty. 'Leave Her Alone' starts as an acoustic guitar duet set upon a somber organ layer, until an indie-like psychedelic rock section surfaces, with lots of ghosts shouting, calling and whispering in the background: really schizo! As you may notice, the repertoire is varied, but not lacking unity at all: the presence of some recurring motifs along the repertoire works as a key of integral coherence. A stounding piece of work that shines as what it is, a 90s prog gem.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 16:22
Hey Micky, I gave the Max Webster debut album a couple of listens.  It was released in 1976 and it has that 1970's rock and roll feel.  It is hard for me to compare to other bands, but I do hear Kiss in the first song (might be because it is about drinking and hang overs); a bit of Traffic on a couple songs; one song reminded me of the Allman Brothers; there is a little bit of Deep Purple thrown in there as well; the vocals at times remind me a bit of Paul Rodgers; not really sure why.  Musically, Toronto Tontos is probably the proggiest, but it also has the strangest use of vocals. 
 
In case you are interested, here is a link to their website, which includes the obligatory 30 second samples.  http://www.maxwebster.ca/MW_sounds.shtml 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 17:10
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I think that Hugues described it very well.  I don't have the history with them that he does, since my interest was more because of the involvement of Rush with their music.  However, I agree that they are more straight ahead rock and roll.  I hate to say this, in case it isn't necessarily true, but they might appeal to you in the since that they remind me a bit of Traffic.  But this might be more because of their album High Class in Borrowed Shoes reminding me of Traffic's High-Heeled Boys.  I'll pull out their debut album this weekend and give it a refresher listen, and maybe even a review for posterity's sake.  (Of course, in my case that might be posterior's sake).


thanks Scott.. let me know if you do that review.. I don't catch the front page and reviews usually unless I have a heads-up to be watching for something.  The Traffic similarity intrigues me highly...  Micky loves him some LSoHHBs hahhaha or anything that has that sound.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 16:59
I think that Hugues described it very well.  I don't have the history with them that he does, since my interest was more because of the involvement of Rush with their music.  However, I agree that they are more straight ahead rock and roll.  I hate to say this, in case it isn't necessarily true, but they might appeal to you in the since that they remind me a bit of Traffic.  But this might be more because of their album High Class in Borrowed Shoes reminding me of Traffic's High-Heeled Boys.  I'll pull out their debut album this weekend and give it a refresher listen, and maybe even a review for posterity's sake.  (Of course, in my case that might be posterior's sake).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 16:44
what do  think of the music Scott? .. that album Hugues reviewed in particular
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2008 at 16:30
Being a Rush fan, I actually know who they are as well, because they are Rush's little brother.  I own a few of their albums, mostly because they are on the Anthem record label.  I haven't done any reviews of their albums yet though.  Maybe one of these days. 
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Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Finally found an album to flaunt on this thread. Amazing Canadian band who get a lot of nods from Rush in their liner notes up to Permanent Waves. Thanks to being from the same area they also get labeled as Rush's little brother. Lily is an amazing track which makes the album worth it just for the one song, but the rest is excellent as well.

I chose Sean Trane's review of the album because he seems to be one of the only people on the site who knows who they are!


Max Webster
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4%20stars Debut album from one of the most original group coming from Canada, and certainly a bloody stunner that stayed in the subconscious of almost every teenager from Toronto, but of all Canada as well. This writer remembers being a fan as far back as possible, buying the debut album and playing it until the vinyl became almost transparent. These guys were all very exciting on stage with their energetic music, stage antics (leader Mitchell being a very athletic young man) and their imaginative and original songwriting. They even managed to get the girls started with their glitter outfits. Webster (these guys were looking for a name like Jethro Tull – this is the only real explanation about their name) was always the thing of two songwriters even though guitarist Mitchell was much more prolific than keyboardist Watkinson, but Mitchell’s tracks were always written with Pye Dubois’ lyrics (Rush fans will remember him) and the group found a home on Anthem Records, which is also well known to us progheads.

How could any teen getting drunk and ignore the opening Hangover track (to which the weird square heads refer to on the artwork). This track, starting out on a heavily distorted and feedback guitar is a stunning start and a fitting intro into the crazy world of Max Webster. To describe their sound is rather uneasy as they could range from early Queen, have 10 CC’s best inspirational moments, with quirky songwriting The Cars would not have denied. Not very progressive you might say, but please bear with me for Webster is always changing tempo, sometimes cramming so many idea into one track that others groups would make a whole album out one of their songs. Their constant rhythm changes were quite impressive, almost (certainly IMHO) progressive but the typical chord progressions of what made classic prog bands their trade is a bit absent in their albums. Hangover is then followed by another killer track Here Among The Cats, another live favorite and also a fave of mine (since back then all young dudes were the cats). Next is a rather different-sounding (because written by KB-man Watkinson) followed a typical slow Webster track - there will be a few in the following albums, but they were quite at ease with those too, even if their forte were full-blown rock party tracks. The first wax side is ended by another stunner (and maybe the definitive pop side of Webster) with the stunning Toronto Tontos, which came some seven years before The B-52’s Rock Lobster. A stunning témoignage that these guys were also ahead of their time, this track is truly a joyful moments of musical delirium.

The second side starts with one of the obsessions from the quartet, their lunatic bizarrerie, as if they were coming of our natural satellite planet, the Moon: for the next four albums, there will always be a track making reference to it, maybe explaining how lunatically strange these guys could be. This is another highlight of the album but hardly the only one, since most of the first side of the album are classics. Only Your Nose Knows and the lengthy (almost 8 min) Lily are also excellent and typical tracks while Summer’s Up has a bit of Zappa feeling in it.

Maybe this group is not a prog icon per se, but all progheads loving intelligent rock and pop should get a load of this superb band that never got the recognition it deserved until it was dying.




I sure as hell didn't hahahha..  .. sounds like something I'd really dig.
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I am going to recommend this album although I have only heard the one song.  This album was released on May 2nd. 
 
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I think that with this album some consideration should be given to moving Brighteye Brison to a full-fledged prog category.  This album includes 4 songs with one clocking in at 20:25 and a second at over 30 minutes. 
 
Go to this website for a free download of The Harvest which clocks in at 20:25.  I don't think that anyone should be disappointed with this song, and if it is representative of the rest of this album, then no one should be disappointed with this album also.
 
 
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Scrolling thru the list of prog related artists, I am amused at the number of artists that I've always considered unquestionably prog, oh well.  I offer up a few gems without quoting any reviews because I'm getting late for work:
801 - Live
Jon Anderson - Olias Of Sunhillow
Jeff Beck - Blow By Blow
Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love (already mentioned)
Jon and Vangelis - Short Stories
Jean Michel Jarre - Oxygene
Oysterhead - The Grand Pecking Order
Primus - Frizzle Fry
Roxy Music - Viva
Peter Sinfield - Still
Synergy - Games
Vangelis - Heaven and Hell

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 15 2008 at 00:19
Finally found an album to flaunt on this thread. Amazing Canadian band who get a lot of nods from Rush in their liner notes up to Permanent Waves. Thanks to being from the same area they also get labeled as Rush's little brother. Lily is an amazing track which makes the album worth it just for the one song, but the rest is excellent as well.

I chose Sean Trane's review of the album because he seems to be one of the only people on the site who knows who they are!


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4%20stars Debut album from one of the most original group coming from Canada, and certainly a bloody stunner that stayed in the subconscious of almost every teenager from Toronto, but of all Canada as well. This writer remembers being a fan as far back as possible, buying the debut album and playing it until the vinyl became almost transparent. These guys were all very exciting on stage with their energetic music, stage antics (leader Mitchell being a very athletic young man) and their imaginative and original songwriting. They even managed to get the girls started with their glitter outfits. Webster (these guys were looking for a name like Jethro Tull – this is the only real explanation about their name) was always the thing of two songwriters even though guitarist Mitchell was much more prolific than keyboardist Watkinson, but Mitchell’s tracks were always written with Pye Dubois’ lyrics (Rush fans will remember him) and the group found a home on Anthem Records, which is also well known to us progheads.

How could any teen getting drunk and ignore the opening Hangover track (to which the weird square heads refer to on the artwork). This track, starting out on a heavily distorted and feedback guitar is a stunning start and a fitting intro into the crazy world of Max Webster. To describe their sound is rather uneasy as they could range from early Queen, have 10 CC’s best inspirational moments, with quirky songwriting The Cars would not have denied. Not very progressive you might say, but please bear with me for Webster is always changing tempo, sometimes cramming so many idea into one track that others groups would make a whole album out one of their songs. Their constant rhythm changes were quite impressive, almost (certainly IMHO) progressive but the typical chord progressions of what made classic prog bands their trade is a bit absent in their albums. Hangover is then followed by another killer track Here Among The Cats, another live favorite and also a fave of mine (since back then all young dudes were the cats). Next is a rather different-sounding (because written by KB-man Watkinson) followed a typical slow Webster track - there will be a few in the following albums, but they were quite at ease with those too, even if their forte were full-blown rock party tracks. The first wax side is ended by another stunner (and maybe the definitive pop side of Webster) with the stunning Toronto Tontos, which came some seven years before The B-52’s Rock Lobster. A stunning témoignage that these guys were also ahead of their time, this track is truly a joyful moments of musical delirium.

The second side starts with one of the obsessions from the quartet, their lunatic bizarrerie, as if they were coming of our natural satellite planet, the Moon: for the next four albums, there will always be a track making reference to it, maybe explaining how lunatically strange these guys could be. This is another highlight of the album but hardly the only one, since most of the first side of the album are classics. Only Your Nose Knows and the lengthy (almost 8 min) Lily are also excellent and typical tracks while Summer’s Up has a bit of Zappa feeling in it.

Maybe this group is not a prog icon per se, but all progheads loving intelligent rock and pop should get a load of this superb band that never got the recognition it deserved until it was dying.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 06:08
^ I still need to listen to that....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 02:53
Great thread, darlingClapHeart.... The self-appointed Queen of Prog-Related (just check the split in my review pie chartLOL...) is ready to offer her own recommendations - starting from one of those albums that should be in every discerning prog fan's collection, Kate Bush's marvellous Hounds of Love.

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Though there are a number of excellent Collab reviews of it (I'd like to mention Finnforest's and Slartibartfast's among others), in this particular case I've decided to chose the one written by a fellow Italian, whom I had the pleasure of meeting in person last year:
 
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5%20stars It's very difficult to write a review on your favourite album by one of your ever favourite artists... But I must try. Kate has signed some of the most beautiful pages in rock music, and, above all, she has done it in a period when music wasn't offering that much. "Hounds of Love" is the work where she displayed her own personality; therefore, not her most ambitious one, neither a perfect one, but the pure reflection of a genius's soul, and therefore one of the most beautiful jewels you can put your ears to. "Running up that hill" is pop, of course, but also something incredible personal: just imagine that its whole evolving structure, full in rhythm and intensity, comes out of a single chord which, as a backbone, runs through the whole song. The title track has got almost a punk-rock approach (and indeed the Futureheads have understood this) filtered through Kate's interest in world music... the result is a passionate and lively track which sticks to your ears and make you want to move and shake. The same fusion of world music and straight rock animates also "Big Time", Kate's hymn to life and its power. The following two pieces are almost unbelievable: "Mother stands for comfort" is a real forerunner, something Bjork and other ones can only dream of, with those haunting piano and synths, steady drums, unexpected percussions and Kate's unusual lyrics (this time telling us the thoughts of a murderer looking for protection in his - or her - mother's arms). "Cloudbursting" is the equivalent to Ravel's Bolero in prog rock - and it's a quite moving pieces, rich in atmosphere and pathos. The subsequent concept "The ninth wave" features incredible pieces: the heavenly "And dream of sheep", the mysterious "Under ice"; "Waking the witch" really gives me the goosebumps, expecially its piano driven first section with that vocal layers... WOW (just to quote another Kate's song). "Hello Earth" is the missing piece in Pink Floyd's production, and yet, IMO, more intense and intriguing, while the closing piece "Morning Fog" sometimes can almost move me to tears... I really whish the whole world could listen to this masterpiece.
As a longtime Kate Bush fan, I can't help but recommend this absolutely beautiful, deeply lyrical album, which features one of the very best epics ever written in "The Ninth Wave". Personally, I think Kate is much more than simply 'related' to prog,,, Her approach to music is definitely very progressive at least.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2008 at 19:01
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Vangelis has got far to many progalbums to be considered just related.


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This is a for him quite atypical experimental, organdriven jazz album. I think this and The Dragon, both from 71, are fantastic! Vangelis doesn't (but what does he know?). He went to court to stop them from getting released.




I've heard so little from him...  should check those out.  Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2008 at 18:55
Mark can review the HELL out of an album.... that album was another I had in mind. Great choice Ryan... of album.. and reviewer.  Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 12 2008 at 18:50
I'll go ahead and steal Certified's review for one of my favorite albums:
 
* I get a tingly feeling of approval when his views agree with mineLOL
 
 
 
 
 
 
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5%20stars Masterpiece of prog rock.

If you never buy another Queen album, make sure you have this in your collection of prog rock, as it never disappoints, packing progressive elements in dense clusters, whipping backwards and forwards between the light and soulful, through the dark and heavy to the downright psychotic.

"Procession" starts with a stately bass drum pattern, over which Brian May previews some of the "Father To Son" material with a guitar sound that is strikingly organ-like and somehow majesterial. This is layered with quasi-mediaeva touches, and the "main" Father to Son theme, before a rippling motif overlaid with a bell-like motif leads to the wonderful riffs of "Father..". These riffs develop, blurring the verse/chorus progression somewhat. When the chorus hits, it's huge and symphonic in style. The rippling and bell motifs return in an slightly extended form, and the Queen choir builds up a huge texture, with touches vaguely reminiscent of the Beach Boys "Good Vibrations" in places. A huge riff is built up underneath this, and we enter a rockin' and rollin' bridge that develops into the solo, which flies all around the stereo picture in a dazzling display of dive-bombs, before lapsing into feedback before kicking off solo part 2, with May layering up the guitars authoritatively. This drops back to a single soft chord, as Mercury almost whispers "A word in your ear, from Father to Son", which kicks into the coda, showcasing fabulous melodies, style changes and, naturally, the Queen choir. The coda itself is a massive stadium chant of "Word goes around, from Father to Son..." etc, which fades out to ambient guitar feedback textures.

These segue into the intro to "White Queen", a song with fine - almost typical prog rock lyrics - and a dramatic Gong punctuating the ambient wash of acoustic guitars. Mercury turns in another brilliantly strong melody. Fabulous harmonies open the music up in a mini bridge into what stands as a kind of chorus - but with massive riffs instead of acoustic guitar, different words to continue the tale, and sensitive, dramatic percussion from Taylor. May then imitates a sitar convincingly for a brilliantly ambient section - There is much in here that reminds me of some of the material on Radiohead's "OK Computer", Queen's dominant style notwithstanding. May unleashes a fabulously orchestrated section, and the Queen choir layer up, and the whole lot is broken down again - "...as it began". At least half an hour's worth of material condensed into 4 and a half minutes. This is what I'm talking about.

"Some Day, One Day" begins with a gentle acoustic rhythm awash with phasers, and May taking the mic for a complete change of style and texture - but that's part of what prog is all about; Variety. The lyrics enter mysticism territory here - with a slightly dark slant; "When I was you and you were me and we were very young Together took us nearly there, the rest may not be sung". The overall style is of a fairly simple song, but there are many, many progressive elements packed in here - some reminiscent of "Tomorrow Never Knows", but the ambient layers of voice and guitar showing the subtle side of Queen.

The rock returns with a bang - Taylor's echoed kit and rough and angry vocals rip into "Loser In The End" - but concentrate on the background layers if you will. The surface is a fairly standard rock song, but the layering of textural ideas is out of this world. You could convince yourself that Queen were using synths - but, of course, at this point in their career, this is not the case.

Side 2 opens with a whoosh, and thunder, before multi-layered and backtracked vocals and guitars create a cacophonous wall of sound, which magically turns itself around to sound "the right way around", and a riff that builds and builds to a song which just grows and grows, painting the outrageously dramatic picture of the Ogre Battle, May excelling himself with guitar punctuation. A wall of screams is the highpoint of this song - it really is incredibly scary - but not long enough! Like everything on this album, everything is so dense and passes by so quickly...

The track segues into "Fairy Feller's Master Stroke", a wicked slice of prog incredibly squeezed into a mere two and a half minutes - I'm wearing out my pause button on this one, so I'll let you discover it for yourself. The lyrics are suitably prog too - so check those out, and listen to this a hundred times - or until you have worked out all the complexities in this song, whichever comes first - I suspect the former.

Masterfully, this segues into "Nevermore", which hints at great songs that Queen would write later in their career. Hauntingly evocative and nostalgic, this shifts seamlessly through many keys, driven by Mercury's ever-improving pianistic abilities.

Now we arrive at the pinnacle of this breathtaking roller coaster - "The March of the Black Queen". Less dense overall than the earlier material, but still packed with time, key and texture changes - including bells and outrageous vocal textures, sudden drops from vertiginous cliffs of sound into barbershop style harmonies and vaudeville song.

I just don't want to analyse any further - the music is just too enjoyable to keep picking apart, and really, one could spend a huge amount of time in analysis and still not uncover everything in this fabulous album - a prog rock album that defines Queen's corner of the genre, and makes many other prog bands pale into near insignificance by comparison.

It's amazing to me that opinion could be split over this album, as it seems to be in some circles - all I can think of is that if you don't hear the prog, you need to listen again and again until you do. It's all there in spades... make that dump truck loads - Queen unashamedly pile on the elements in clusters so dense and fly them past at such a speed that all you end up following are the fabulous melodies of Mercury and May's awesome riffs - and rightly so. Prog should be more than the sum of its parts, and despite the enormous quantity of elements, this album is way more than "Seven Seas..." or "Ogre Battle".

Queen were so far ahead of their time, as this album closes with the pure prog "Seven Seas of Rhye", I feel a kind of pang of regret that Queen did not make more albums like this - one wishes that they had found a way to produce a dozen or so more like this every year. But then that would stop Queen II from holding the crown that it does.

Magnificent opus - even if you don't like certain aspects of it, there's bound to be something in here you'll like or grow to like over time. An essential rock album for everyone.



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