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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 14:13 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
cacho wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
cacho wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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Pretty damn right! If Rush is there also Uriah Heep, and Traffic? | Are you kidding me, guys? How many of you actually have heard all of Rush's main 1970s and 1980s albums and have actually talked to people? Their influence is amazingly widespread, they're some of the tightest musicians in all of rock, and since when did Heep and Traffic make as much of an impact on prog and rock in general as Rush did? Rush is 5th in the world for rock in the number of platinum and gold selling albums, even ahead of Pink Floyd. Have you ears cleaned out and listen to 2112 or Hemispheres. ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I really care a damn of sales... | Every one of you three (cacho, tszirmay, jammun) are simply nitpicking that part of my argument simply because you have no way to counteract the fact that Rush were HUGE in rock AND prog: Listen to..Caress of Steel2112HemispheresPermanent WavesA Farewell to Kingsand moreAND not only thatBut they have three of the BEST players at their respective instruments (especially Geddy Lee and Neil Peart) ANDThey kept prog alive in the 1980s along with King Crimson, producing art rock and prog-lite/influenced pieces all throughout the 1980s and until today.Not even Jethro Tull or the others on this list have done that, and you're saying that Heep and Camel were just as influential to be included in the "BIG" artists as Rush?! You have to be kidding me! It's a joke. I simply included the other information to even further my argument saying that Rush were extremely huge to conventional rock AS WELL AS to prog. Especially after your silly nitpickings and simply the enormous impact Rush has had (you can also tell that by going to the "what was your first introduction to prog" thread, I can't take your argument seriously. |
Don't you get it, I really can't see where Rush can be named as BIG of the entire PROG genre, this is a joke! Rush by no means have the BIG Label on them with the prog genre, maybe with the Heavy Prog genre but as Prog itself, no way.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 13:57 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
cacho wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
cacho wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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Pretty damn right! If Rush is there also Uriah Heep, and Traffic? | Are you kidding me, guys? How many of you actually have heard all of Rush's main 1970s and 1980s albums and have actually talked to people? Their influence is amazingly widespread, they're some of the tightest musicians in all of rock, and since when did Heep and Traffic make as much of an impact on prog and rock in general as Rush did? Rush is 5th in the world for rock in the number of platinum and gold selling albums, even ahead of Pink Floyd. Have you ears cleaned out and listen to 2112 or Hemispheres. ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I really care a damn of sales... |
Every one of you three (cacho, tszirmay, jammun) are simply nitpicking that part of my argument simply because you have no way to counteract the fact that Rush were HUGE in rock AND prog: Listen to..
Caress of Steel 2112 Hemispheres Permanent Waves A Farewell to Kings
and more
AND not only that
But they have three of the BEST players at their respective instruments (especially Geddy Lee and Neil Peart)
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They kept prog alive in the 1980s along with King Crimson, producing art rock and prog-lite/influenced pieces all throughout the 1980s and until today.
Not even Jethro Tull or the others on this list have done that, and you're saying that Heep and Camel were just as influential to be included in the "BIG" artists as Rush?! You have to be kidding me! It's a joke. ![Stern%20Smile](smileys/smiley22.gif)
I simply included the other information to even further my argument saying that Rush were extremely huge to conventional rock AS WELL AS to prog. Especially after your silly nitpickings and simply the enormous impact Rush has had (you can also tell that by going to the "what was your first introduction to prog" thread, I can't take your argument seriously.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 13:54 |
Luke. J wrote:
Then create another poll with Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Camel and maybe.. something else..
If I am in the right mood, Zappa would win. Overall, though, it is ELP. Rush and Tull I accept as good bands, but I hardly ever listen to them (and even like it). |
I already created a poll with Gentle Giant and VDGG (much earlier, the other two combatants were Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree), and Camel may make its surprise showing in the last match.
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 13:53 |
Well, hell just froze over as I am very into Jethro Tull now. I would've gone with Frank Zappa, but I don't like the vast majority of his solo stuff. If it were The Mothers of Invention, though, they'd get my vote in a heartbeat!
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crimhead
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 13:51 |
ELP for me, they were the ones that got me into prog. I wish that Frank would have been listened to and appreciated more when he was around. The man could do it all.
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 13:41 |
TGM: Orb wrote:
cesar polo wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.
Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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I completely agree: Camel and Gentle Giant should have been on the list. |
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easy.. Camel is easy listening and some people here like them.. that makes them a BIG prog group ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) no arguments with GG.. but who to bump.. next 4 I guess...
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Luke. J
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 13:33 |
Then create another poll with Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator, Camel and maybe.. something else..
If I am in the right mood, Zappa would win. Overall, though, it is ELP. Rush and Tull I accept as good bands, but I hardly ever listen to them (and even like it).
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Grimfurg
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 08:58 |
Zappa. Man.
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 08:58 |
cesar polo wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.
Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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I completely agree: Camel and Gentle Giant should have been on the list. |
Why?
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cesar polo
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 08:56 |
Hercules wrote:
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.
Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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I completely agree: Camel and Gentle Giant should have been on the list. Well, almost completely agree (my vote goes for ELP ![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif) ).
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: May 11 2008 at 08:28 |
cacho wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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Pretty damn right! If Rush is there also Uriah Heep, and Traffic? |
It's a sequel to the prog tournament, not an automatic complete judgment on which bands should or should not be considered with the greats, hence 4 bands per bracket, drawn from bands which were in yon tournament. Camel or Uriah Heep (and to be honest, I've barely heard of Traffic) aren't on a level of notoriety with the bands included. Gentle Giant would be more reasonable as a suggestion. For preference, Van Der Graaf Generator would replace Pfloyd in the big 4 for me, but it'd be ludicrous to suggest that VDGG should thus be a big four band in a somewhat objective poll. Edit: Moving Pictures is right about Rush, even if I don't particularly like Peart and Lifeson's styles for the 80s albums I own.
Edited by TGM: Orb - May 11 2008 at 08:29
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 10 2008 at 23:35 |
cacho wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
cacho wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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Pretty damn right! If Rush is there also Uriah Heep, and Traffic? | Are you kidding me, guys? How many of you actually have heard all of Rush's main 1970s and 1980s albums and have actually talked to people? Their influence is amazingly widespread, they're some of the tightest musicians in all of rock, and since when did Heep and Traffic make as much of an impact on prog and rock in general as Rush did? Rush is 5th in the world for rock in the number of platinum and gold selling albums, even ahead of Pink Floyd. Have you ears cleaned out and listen to 2112 or Hemispheres. ![LOL](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![Wink](smileys/smiley2.gif) |
I really care a damn of sales... |
Every one of you three (cacho, tszirmay, jammun) are simply nitpicking that part of my argument simply because you have no way to counteract the fact that Rush were HUGE in rock AND prog: Listen to.. Caress of Steel 2112 Hemispheres Permanent Waves A Farewell to Kings and more AND not only that But they have three of the BEST players at their respective instruments (especially Geddy Lee and Neil Peart) AND They kept prog alive in the 1980s along with King Crimson, producing art rock and prog-lite/influenced pieces all throughout the 1980s and until today. Not even Jethro Tull or the others on this list have done that, and you're saying that Heep and Camel were just as influential to be included in the "BIG" artists as Rush?! You have to be kidding me! It's a joke. ![Stern%20Smile](smileys/smiley22.gif) I simply included the other information to even further my argument saying that Rush were extremely huge to conventional rock AS WELL AS to prog. Especially after your silly nitpickings and simply the enormous impact Rush has had (you can also tell that by going to the "what was your first introduction to prog" thread, I can't take your argument seriously.
Edited by MovingPictures07 - May 10 2008 at 23:36
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 10 2008 at 22:52 |
Hmm Gold and platinum! Great investments ! ![Shocked](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley3.gif) McDonald's and Coca Cola. Corporate giants .
Ian Anderson owns a salmon hatchery that makes the best smoked salmon in the world , according to recent gourmet evaluations. Who said prog has no taste?
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jammun
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Posted: May 10 2008 at 22:47 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
[QUOTE=cacho] [QUOTE=Hercules] Rush is 5th in the world for rock in the number of platinum and gold selling albums, even ahead of Pink Floyd.
| That would be considerably behind Mariah Carey,
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 10 2008 at 21:08 |
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The Quiet One
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Posted: May 10 2008 at 21:04 |
Hercules wrote:
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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Pretty damn right! If Rush is there also Uriah Heep, and Traffic?
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JROCHA
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Posted: May 10 2008 at 20:56 |
Rush on!
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Hercules
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Posted: May 10 2008 at 19:53 |
Camel should have been on this list, as should Gentle Giant.
Of those 4, I choose Tull, but Camel and Gentle Giant are better.
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Posted: May 10 2008 at 19:45 |
R to the U to the S to the H.
Not even close.
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