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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:41 |
I had to vote for other, with my choice, although I'll get haggled for this, is a tie between the Mars Volta ablums De-loused in the Comatorium and Frances the Mute. As much as I like tthe 2 polled bands, TMV know how to tell a story with a farily straight storyline, but leave most for interpretation on the listner's part (Frenchie, you know what I mean)
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valravennz
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:34 |
After some consideration (and having already voted 'Other') I would have to go with "the Wall" as I am not familiar with 'Lamb' . If there was a poll on the most depressing album in prog I would vote the "Wall" without question - I can only listen to it when I am depressed and then with some difficulty. I would not rate it as one of Pink Floyds greatest moments (ducking down out of range!!). There are better concept albums - someone mentioned Marillion's 'Misplaced Childhood' - would listen to that anyday rather than 'Wall'
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Reed Lover
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:17 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
This is the old Floyd V Genesis argument in just a different guise, People who have Floyd as No 1 band don't tend to like Genesis, Genesis fans tend to like some, but not all Floyd. I think it is the psyche that leans you towards one or the other......
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Rubbish! I much prefer Genesis to Pink Floyd.
I have a remastered version of The Lamb, but others have mentioned Genesis remasters.What am i missing?
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:15 |
This is the old Floyd V Genesis argument in just a different guise, People who have Floyd as No 1 band don't tend to like Genesis, Genesis fans tend to like some, but not all Floyd. I think it is the psyche that leans you towards one or the other......
The Lamb needs to be re-recorded to get the production correct.......Can't see it happening though......
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Reed Lover
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:56 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
This is like comparing LobsterThermadore with Dog-sh*te or Manchester United against Manchester City.....
The Lamb is the masterpiece the wall is just another double concept album.....
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The Wall is far the superior album.I've never really got on with The Lamb.It just hasnt got enough great songs and music for me.IMHO.
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Swinton MCR
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:53 |
This is like comparing LobsterThermadore with Dog-sh*te or Manchester United against Manchester City.....
The Lamb is the masterpiece the wall is just another double concept album.....
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Zero the hero
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:21 |
Ah fantastic '666' is one of the best albums i own.
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goose
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 13:35 |
I quite like Scenes but I'm sure there must be concept albums with more complex storylines (can anyone help me out here?). And at least three or four of the songs just keep going with the same riff (with or without a solo) for no reason (especially "Home" and the last track. I'd probably say the same about "Fatal Tragedy", but it's close to the first DT I ever heard so I still like it). When people say Dream Theater solo for the sake of it, I never understood what they were talking about until I bought Scenes and Six Degrees, both of which while in places have probably some of the most fantastic moments DT have ever done, they also have some pieces which either don't do anything at all for me or just drag on too long.
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frenchie
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 12:59 |
i would have to go for Dream Theaters scenes from a memory being the mother of all concept albums. It has the best and most detailed storyline, told amazingly by music and lyrics, plus the album itself is a masterpiece of progressive rock, undeniable by the vast amount of 5 star ratings.
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goose
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 12:19 |
The Wall always makes me feel really depressed (excellent though it is) so I can't really compare the two.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:20 |
Cygnus X-1,
I'm sorry I misspoke, but what I meant is, the band was using the disorder as context, not just as the main idea. I agree, it is about Jimmy trying to find his place.
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tuxon
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:14 |
I only lied the first part of the Lamb, (first side of the first album, than it starts getting boring)
The Wall however I like in it's entirety.
but neither one is close to a masterpiece IMO.
Marillion's Misplaced Childhood is as close as a concept album can get to being a masterpiece.
best concept albums are Sergeant pepper, and Captain Fantastic and The Brown Dirt Cowboy.
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maani
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:12 |
Hmmmmmm...and I thought Dark Side was the mother of all concept albums?...
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Cygnus X-2
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:05 |
FuzzyDude wrote:
Quadrophrenia is about Multiple Personality Disorder
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UMMMM... NO!! Although Quadrophenia does have some of those aspects, Jimmy's (main character) multiple personalities make up the themes of the album. The album is actually about a teenager in the 60's who doesn't fit in with any group, and no matter how hard he tries, he can't fit in. And the rest is the story of his troubles, and how he tries to make his situation better.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:26 |
I¡ll stick to the Lamb vs. Wall - I voted for the Genesis epic because it comprises better musical material, better overall performances, less ups-and-downs, a more accomplished sense of drama in the instrumental parts and theatrical sensitiveness in the vocal parts, a stronger attitude, a more bizarre storyline and a more intelectually accomplished concept behind it, better lyrics, and a less corny happy ending. Yes, Gilmour is a great guitarist, but Hackett is more skilfull, more inventive and has more finesse... in a word, greater... but this is not the point.
Regards.
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threefates
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:14 |
I voted the Wall also. Nothing Genesis ever did compared to a what David Gilmour just does on Comfortably Numb...
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Tarkustra
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:09 |
I'm voting "The Wall". There's no guitar solos in "The Lamb" that can compare with what Dave Gilmour does on 'The Wall' I can also understand the concept of 'The Wall', whether its depressing or not. Actually I think "The Lamb" is suppose to be depressing also.
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valravennz
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:40 |
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:35 |
I think The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is about schizophrenia, the same way The Wall is about manic depresion and borderline behavior.
Quadrophrenia is about Multiple Personality Disorder, Tommy involves psychosomaticism, Operation: Mindcrime has that part at the end where he convinces himself that he didn't really love Sister Mary, (I personally think he didn't in the first place, but that's me) Close to the Edge and Tales from Topographic Oceans don't involve mental illness OR even a storyline, but the lyrics appear quite trippy. 'A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace and rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace' (Yes, I'm well aware that Jon Anderson knew what he was talking about) Aqualung is about a poor homeless guy.
My point: The best rock operas don't involve aliens or magic.
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richardh
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:23 |
Lamb has some brilliant songs but too many not so great bits that add nothing IMO.The Wall is excellent all the way through...although for greatest double concept album my preference is Aphdrodite's Child '666'
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