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The Prognaut 
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 Posted: June 03 2004 at 23:09 |
 danbo wrote:
Over rated. Sorry, but I felt the disc sounds like an opera and though I appreciate the music, the vocals are meagor.... Clearly not deserving of 5 stars.
Don't get me wrong, I bought it because of all the hoopla on the forum, but it lacks. Over-Dramatic would be my honest opinion.
3 stars. It's not essential. It's not Avant-Garde either. 
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Thanx for your words and your time! Appreciate it man! Maybe I'm way too into Scandinavian prog or it maybe be a matter of appreciation, dunno really! but believe me, your true comments help a lot, it's all about the feedback in here! Question: what is it that you consider Avant-Garde??? not the Webster's definition, not the internet cut and paste, I wanna hear you! 
Peace,
Land
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: June 03 2004 at 21:32 |
Over rated. Sorry, but I felt the disc sounds like an opera and though I appreciate the music, the vocals are meagor.... Clearly not deserving of 5 stars.
Don't get me wrong, I bought it because of all the hoopla on the forum, but it lacks. Over-Dramatic would be my honest opinion.
3 stars. It's not essential. It's not Avant-Garde either.
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The Prognaut
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Posted: June 03 2004 at 15:23 |
PÄR LINDH PROJECT.  Period.
( Check out my review upon their debut album "Gothic Impressions" and lemme know what you all think... )
Regards,
Land
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break the circle
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wake the sleepwalker
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progchain
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Posted: June 03 2004 at 13:49 |
lucas wrote:
I believe Franco Battiato released some avant-garde music in the seventies (?). |
Just in the seventies... listen to "Sulle corde di Aries" or "Clic"... Prog meets Stockhausen meets mediterraneans sounds....
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DoomHammer
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Posted: June 03 2004 at 09:32 |
moonchild wrote:
3. haphazard non-musical tones interspersed with musical ones.
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If that means using a dog to sing along then definitely Pink Floyd 
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lucas
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Posted: June 03 2004 at 09:15 |
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I believe Franco Battiato released some avant-garde music in the seventies (?).
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Hammar
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Posted: June 03 2004 at 06:54 |
I have finally listened to Thinking Plague, and it's Brilliante!! And the swiss band Island is also magnificant!!
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diddy
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Posted: June 03 2004 at 06:45 |
danbo wrote:
Eno is ambient. Avant Garde is more of a creative genre where basic song structures and the verse chorus-verse-type approach is not used. Unusual instrumentation, dissonance, noises, burps, farts, whatever..... are used to construct "pieces" which may or may not be pleasing. It is defintely an acquired taste. SOME prog bands have aspects of Avant Garde in their style, such as King Crimson, RIO bands, Soft Machine, Henry Cow, Thinking Plague....
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Hmm so Guru Guru for example often sounds like "noise" but it's very interesting...example their song UFO...maybe that's a kind of avant garde...
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If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear...
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Dick Heath
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Posted: June 03 2004 at 05:23 |
Bjørn Are wrote:
I1969: Beatles, Led Zeppelin and King Crimson
2004: Mars Volta? No, not really.
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In the literal sense any prog band who released albums before 1972.
However, I have to take you to task for including Led Z - they followed on from Jeff Beck (Truth and Cosa Nostra Beckola ). Read the liner notes of the twoforone CD of these albums and discover how angry Jeff Beck was when he heard LZ demos his mate Jimmy Page had produced - after attending these recording sessions - John Paul Jones is in some of Beck's line-ups.
And stick with your guns wrt Mars Volta..................
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 19:22 |
Eno is ambient. Avant Garde is more of a creative genre where basic song structures and the verse chorus-verse-type approach is not used. Unusual instrumentation, dissonance, noises, burps, farts, whatever..... are used to construct "pieces" which may or may not be pleasing. It is defintely an acquired taste. SOME prog bands have aspects of Avant Garde in their style, such as King Crimson, RIO bands, Soft Machine, Henry Cow, Thinking Plague....
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diddy
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 18:10 |
Hey Phillipe, you once mentioned ENO...today I saw an auction for "Music for Films" and remembered the thread you once made...I LOST the auction  unfortunately... Does ENO count as Avant-Garde?
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moonchild
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 17:48 |
DoomHammer wrote:
What do you mean by avant-garde anyway ??  |
1. Playing musical instruments in an unusual way (i.e plucking piano strings, using a violin bow on a guitar, etc.) or
2. composing song structure in a base of (fill in the blank, i.e. jazz, rock, classical) then interposing it with a completely different musical form to create a jarring effect upon the ears.
3. haphazard non-musical tones interspersed with musical ones.
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DoomHammer
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 17:20 |
What do you mean by avant-garde anyway ??
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when i sell my life story, maybe i should write it first and do the living later 'cause life is so much cleaner on the page
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 15:00 |
at least i tried
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philippe
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 14:44 |
...too short and insignificant for me
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Radioactive Toy
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 14:38 |
the first (2) minutes from close to the edge sounds a bit avantgare too 
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philippe
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 14:36 |
try again! 
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DoomHammer
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 14:22 |
Pink Floyd? 
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moonchild
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Posted: June 02 2004 at 14:05 |
Most avant-garde band?
Pierrot Lunaire > Gudrun
Opus Avantra > Introspezione
Area > Are(a)zione
Zamla Mammas Manna > Familesprickor
If you can find groups that are more avant-garde please let me know. This music is an acquired taste and people have been known to have left the room screaming upon hearing either of them
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Bjørn Are
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Posted: May 03 2004 at 06:51 |
I would guess AG depends on the year. What was avant in 1967 or 1976 is not quite so avant no, or a dead end.
1966: Beatles and Beach Boys (not joking)
1967: Beatles, Zappa and Vanilla Fudge
1968: Beatles and The Nice.
1969: Beatles, Led Zeppelin and King Crimson
1970: Beatles, Gentle Giant and ELP
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2004: Mars Volta? No, not really.
The best of the still strange sounding AG-bands?
Well, not really sure, at least I would mention Henry Cow, 5uu, Van der Graaf and Hatfield and the North.
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