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Statutory-Mike 
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 Posted: February 24 2008 at 21:25 |
I can completley relate with you meinmatrix, I have the same problem...I do like Lateralus (the album as a whole) but that is the only Tool release I can really listen to. I've tried to get into them on several occasions..I'll wait for the release of their new album that they are apperently already working on and give that a listen to see if I like it or not.
You can just not listen to them, then you wouldn't really have this problem..or if you like a certain album then just listen to that one...and pray that their new album turns out to be as good as Lateralus (if you're myself  ) |
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coleio
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 18:33 |
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So?
Oh well you can't get into Tool, big deal.
Why post and tell everyone. If you can't get into a band you probably don't like them so don't listen to them.
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Eat heartily at breakfast, for tonight, we dine in Hell!!
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hobbified
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Posted: February 24 2008 at 18:22 |
 Nuke wrote:
Well now, my advice for you if you still want to get into tool is to fixate on one song. Since you have lateralus, try the title track. Listen to it with the lyrics out in front, trying to interpret it. Look up the music video for it on youtube. Listen to it again and attempt to count out the time signature. Try to figure out the mathematical structure of the lyrics. Watch one of the countless videos of some amateur trying to bang it out on drums. If you still don't like it after all that, then give up  |
Just my opinion, but if you're going to focus on one song off of Lateralus, choose the two songs that are one song: Parabol/Parabola. If you ask me, they're more engaging and more central to the album than the title track. They just really do something special.
Other suggestion: listen to the album version of Push*t a couple times, and then switch to the Salival version, and never go back :)
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JLocke
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:57 |
Evans wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Evans wrote:
It probably does on youtube. In one form or other. Lateralus is a great song, but 10.000 days is better. Very moving. |
Forgive me, I just thought he was saying to watch the official music video in order to get a taste of the band's indepth philosophy. If he meant to simply watch a fan-made video that means nothing, then I was mistaken in my correction.
 ! I just now noticed what your avatar was of, Evans! So, are you a Miyazaki fan? |
Oh yes, most certainly! I have seen pretty much all by studio ghibli, and most of it is great, but my favourite anime of all times is "Spirited Away", everything about it is great. Except that i have misplaced my DVD, but ah well.. :)
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When I was in Japan last summer, there were entire stores dedicated to selling Studio Ghibli merch: dolls, ornaments, clothing, and dvds of some films that haven't been released in the USA yet. Ahhh, I was in heaven! *geek*
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Evans
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 18:48 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Evans wrote:
It probably does on youtube. In one form or other. Lateralus is a great song, but 10.000 days is better. Very moving. |
Forgive me, I just thought he was saying to watch the official music video in order to get a taste of the band's indepth philosophy. If he meant to simply watch a fan-made video that means nothing, then I was mistaken in my correction.
! I just now noticed what your avatar was of, Evans! So, are you a Miyazaki fan? |
Oh yes, most certainly! I have seen pretty much all by studio ghibli, and most of it is great, but my favourite anime of all times is "Spirited Away", everything about it is great. Except that i have misplaced my DVD, but ah well.. :)
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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JLocke
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 18:02 |
Nuke wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Nuke wrote:
Charterhouser wrote:
Well I listened to Aenima and Lateralus, encouraged by the positive reviews I had found on this site, some of which compared to Pink Floyd and marked Lateralus as the new millenium Dark Side of the Moon. I didn't really care about that- I immediately thought that statements like these aren't generally reliable- but I was interested by the feeling of their music so positevely described by many reviewers. And I have to tell that... I was really disappointed... I truly could not get into it! Couldn't appreciate nor found any particular technical skill (except for the drummer), any melodic talent... I liked some of the atmospheres, but overall the songs seemed to me just sick, monotonous and... a bit pretentious... and the vocals just played an alienating effect on me, I just couldn't stant them.
I'm speaking, of course, in personal terms, without criticizing Tool for what they are... Tool fans please don't slander me  ... |
Why would we slander you for that? It is so much more mature to say that you dislike something but it isn't necessairily bad then it is to say that something outright sucks. I hate people who say something along the lines of "tool sucks because they are boring."
Well now, my advice for you if you still want to get into tool is to fixate on one song. Since you have lateralus, try the title track. Listen to it with the lyrics out in front, trying to interpret it. Look up the music video for it on youtube. Listen to it again and attempt to count out the time signature. Try to figure out the mathematical structure of the lyrics. Watch one of the countless videos of some amateur trying to bang it out on drums. If you still don't like it after all that, then give up
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I agree with this completely!
. . . except the song "Lateralus" doesn't have a music video. |
Holy crap you're right! I must have been thinking of parabola. How embarresing...
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Now, THAT is an epic music video! Actually, it is my favorite music video of all time (in case you couldn't tell how much I loved it from my avatar, haha)
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Nuke
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 17:20 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Nuke wrote:
Charterhouser wrote:
Well I listened to Aenima and Lateralus, encouraged by the positive reviews I had found on this site, some of which compared to Pink Floyd and marked Lateralus as the new millenium Dark Side of the Moon. I didn't really care about that- I immediately thought that statements like these aren't generally reliable- but I was interested by the feeling of their music so positevely described by many reviewers. And I have to tell that... I was really disappointed... I truly could not get into it! Couldn't appreciate nor found any particular technical skill (except for the drummer), any melodic talent... I liked some of the atmospheres, but overall the songs seemed to me just sick, monotonous and... a bit pretentious... and the vocals just played an alienating effect on me, I just couldn't stant them. I'm speaking, of course, in personal terms, without criticizing Tool for what they are... Tool fans please don't slander me ... |
Why would we slander you for that? It is so much more mature to say that you dislike something but it isn't necessairily bad then it is to say that something outright sucks. I hate people who say something along the lines of "tool sucks because they are boring."
Well now, my advice for you if you still want to get into tool is to fixate on one song. Since you have lateralus, try the title track. Listen to it with the lyrics out in front, trying to interpret it. Look up the music video for it on youtube. Listen to it again and attempt to count out the time signature. Try to figure out the mathematical structure of the lyrics. Watch one of the countless videos of some amateur trying to bang it out on drums. If you still don't like it after all that, then give up
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I agree with this completely! . . . except the song "Lateralus" doesn't have a music video. |
Holy crap you're right! I must have been thinking of parabola. How embarresing...
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JLocke
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 14:08 |
Evans wrote:
It probably does on youtube. In one form or other. Lateralus is a great song, but 10.000 days is better. Very moving. |
Forgive me, I just thought he was saying to watch the official music video in order to get a taste of the band's indepth philosophy. If he meant to simply watch a fan-made video that means nothing, then I was mistaken in my correction.
! I just now noticed what your avatar was of, Evans! So, are you a Miyazaki fan?
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Evans
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:45 |
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It probably does on youtube. In one form or other. Lateralus is a great song, but 10.000 days is better. Very moving.
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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JLocke
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:10 |
Nuke wrote:
Charterhouser wrote:
Well I listened to Aenima and Lateralus, encouraged by the positive reviews I had found on this site, some of which compared to Pink Floyd and marked Lateralus as the new millenium Dark Side of the Moon. I didn't really care about that- I immediately thought that statements like these aren't generally reliable- but I was interested by the feeling of their music so positevely described by many reviewers. And I have to tell that... I was really disappointed... I truly could not get into it! Couldn't appreciate nor found any particular technical skill (except for the drummer), any melodic talent... I liked some of the atmospheres, but overall the songs seemed to me just sick, monotonous and... a bit pretentious... and the vocals just played an alienating effect on me, I just couldn't stant them.
I'm speaking, of course, in personal terms, without criticizing Tool for what they are... Tool fans please don't slander me ... |
Why would we slander you for that? It is so much more mature to say that you dislike something but it isn't necessairily bad then it is to say that something outright sucks. I hate people who say something along the lines of "tool sucks because they are boring."
Well now, my advice for you if you still want to get into tool is to fixate on one song. Since you have lateralus, try the title track. Listen to it with the lyrics out in front, trying to interpret it. Look up the music video for it on youtube. Listen to it again and attempt to count out the time signature. Try to figure out the mathematical structure of the lyrics. Watch one of the countless videos of some amateur trying to bang it out on drums. If you still don't like it after all that, then give up
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I agree with this completely!
. . . except the song "Lateralus" doesn't have a music video.
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 11:42 |
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i agree with nuke in the respects that finding one song at least that you like from a band your having trouble with is important. thats how i got into pretty much every prog band out there. its such difficult listening sometimes, and demanding, that its hard to really attach yourself to a style of play immediately. This happened for me with Yes, Genesis, Floyd, Pain of Salvation, Jethro Tull (im still in that one song stage but im slowly revolving out of it) Devin Townsend, Godspeed you! Black Emperor, TOOL!, and many others. The first tool song i really liked was Stink Fist. I listened that to death and by the time i was done i was slowly becoming a Tool fan.
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Charterhouser
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 04:18 |
Thanks for your suggestions and your comprehension, Nuke! I should follow your advice and see if I can spot something more in Tool's music. I'll let you know !
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I spent my hatred everyplace, on every work, on every face, someone gave me wishes and I wished for an embrace...- Teachers, Leonard Cohen
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Nuke
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 14:14 |
Charterhouser wrote:
Well I listened to Aenima and Lateralus, encouraged by the positive reviews I had found on this site, some of which compared to Pink Floyd and marked Lateralus as the new millenium Dark Side of the Moon. I didn't really care about that- I immediately thought that statements like these aren't generally reliable- but I was interested by the feeling of their music so positevely described by many reviewers. And I have to tell that... I was really disappointed... I truly could not get into it! Couldn't appreciate nor found any particular technical skill (except for the drummer), any melodic talent... I liked some of the atmospheres, but overall the songs seemed to me just sick, monotonous and... a bit pretentious... and the vocals just played an alienating effect on me, I just couldn't stant them. I'm speaking, of course, in personal terms, without criticizing Tool for what they are... Tool fans please don't slander me ... |
Why would we slander you for that? It is so much more mature to say that you dislike something but it isn't necessairily bad then it is to say that something outright sucks. I hate people who say something along the lines of "tool sucks because they are boring." Well now, my advice for you if you still want to get into tool is to fixate on one song. Since you have lateralus, try the title track. Listen to it with the lyrics out in front, trying to interpret it. Look up the music video for it on youtube. Listen to it again and attempt to count out the time signature. Try to figure out the mathematical structure of the lyrics. Watch one of the countless videos of some amateur trying to bang it out on drums. If you still don't like it after all that, then give up
Edited by Nuke - February 07 2008 at 14:14
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Charterhouser
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:43 |
Well I listened to Aenima and Lateralus, encouraged by the positive reviews I had found on this site, some of which compared to Pink Floyd and marked Lateralus as the new millenium Dark Side of the Moon. I didn't really care about that- I immediately thought that statements like these aren't generally reliable- but I was interested by the feeling of their music so positevely described by many reviewers. And I have to tell that... I was really disappointed... I truly could not get into it! Couldn't appreciate nor found any particular technical skill (except for the drummer), any melodic talent... I liked some of the atmospheres, but overall the songs seemed to me just sick, monotonous and... a bit pretentious... and the vocals just played an alienating effect on me, I just couldn't stant them.
I'm speaking, of course, in personal terms, without criticizing Tool for what they are... Tool fans please don't slander me ... |
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I spent my hatred everyplace, on every work, on every face, someone gave me wishes and I wished for an embrace...- Teachers, Leonard Cohen
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Dim
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 22:21 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Yorkie X wrote:
Ahhh Tool ... the only band on prog archives we are gagged from speaking freely about without dire consequences ... even Rush , Tull , Yes, King Crimson and Genesis dont get that kind of kid gloves protection ... and they are really talented. its crazy ... I believe in freedom of speech if the only thing people can say is nice stuff about a certain band it will be a little misleading. 
( I tried Tool and moved on very fast)
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With all due respect, maybe moving on very fast was your mistake . . . ? It took me several listens to "La te ral us" to really start to understand what is so great about them. Had I just listened to them once and then moved on I wouldn't be so storngly supportive of them today. |
Agreed
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dpedal1
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 22:18 |
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I purchase Lateralus when it first came out. It took my two years before I realized how amazing that album is. It is now one of my favs.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 18:41 |
Yorkie X wrote:
Ahhh Tool ... the only band on prog archives we are gagged from speaking freely about without dire consequences ... even Rush , Tull , Yes, King Crimson and Genesis dont get that kind of kid gloves protection ... and they are really talented. its crazy ... I believe in freedom of speech if the only thing people can say is nice stuff about a certain band it will be a little misleading.
( I tried Tool and moved on very fast)
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With all due respect, maybe moving on very fast was your mistake . . . ? It took me several listens to "La te ral us" to really start to understand what is so great about them. Had I just listened to them once and then moved on I wouldn't be so storngly supportive of them today.
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Dim
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 18:04 |
IMO, Tool started prog metal minus the speed, and I must say, that kind of metal is 95% of the metal I listen too.
So if you say you cant get into tool, I'm sorry to hear that.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 17:52 |
Ahhh Tool ... the only band on prog archives we are gagged from speaking freely about without dire consequences ... even Rush , Tull , Yes, King Crimson and Genesis dont get that kind of kid gloves protection ... and they are really talented. its crazy ... I believe in freedom of speech if the only thing people can say is nice stuff about a certain band it will be a little misleading. ( I tried Tool and moved on very fast)
Edited by Yorkie X - February 05 2008 at 18:01
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Nuke
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 14:00 |
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For tool, you either "get it" or you don't. If you "get it," it is one of the best listening experiences ever. If you don't, then it just kind of sounds like boring grunge music. Each album (or at least their last 3) is a whole-album experiance. The person who earlier suggsted a greatest hits CD essentially suggested blasphemy to me. To understand Tool better, I would suggest listening to some indian classical music, specifically tabla/sitar music. I would sugest "concert for peace" by Ravi Shankner.
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