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Equality 7-2521 
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 Posted: August 10 2007 at 12:32 |
 micky wrote:
only overrated by those who have no knowledge or concept of the history of rock. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Evans
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 12:26 |
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Actually, The Beatles changed how i look at music completely. I used to think that i was always right, and that because i didn't like Sgt. Pepper it was overrated, but one day i got into it (through Abbey Road) and now i love the Beatles. From that day, i have never uttered the word overrated, other than ironically, because that was when i realised that there is no such thing, only music i haven't gotten into yet. Since then, i have also had much easier getting into music i would otherwise have thrown disregarded as crap.
For the record, "Within you without you" is a song i can barely stand, and would be the only reason why it might not actually get 5 stars from me in a review.
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coleio
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 09:07 |
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For christ's sake, the whole Beatles career is overrated.
I've never got the fuss, simple, mundane music. It would take something very special to convince me otherwise.
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Eat heartily at breakfast, for tonight, we dine in Hell!!
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micky
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 20:33 |
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only overrated by those who have no knowledge or concept of the history of rock.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Zargus
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 20:30 |
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Not Overrated.
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Dim
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 19:18 |
mystic fred wrote:
Sgt Pepper achieved the main goal 99% of musicians wish to achieve - it was technically groundbreaking, musically innovative and its appeal reached out to millions of people all over the world
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I shortened it, but this statement is untrue
I doubt 99% of musicians/ bands care about musical innovation, I would say about 90% just want a bit of mainstream success 
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mystic fred
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 03:13 |
Sgt Pepper achieved the main goal 99% of musicians wish to achieve - it was technically groundbreaking, musically innovative and its appeal reached out to millions of people all over the world whether they were into classical, reggae or any kind of musical genre or nationality - who else has managed that - DSOTM could be another good example, or the "White" album that followed? That had many detractors, but "Pepper" was lauded by all and sundry as totally groundbreaking, the only downside was that it also crossed generations - my parents liked it!
As for being overrated amongst other Beatle music from the same period, Pepper wouldn't have been made without Revolver, and much on the MMT album was written around the same time but not originally intended for one album; "Walrus" was an extremely outstanding song amongst others written specifically for the MMT TV special and "Fool on the Hill" was written during the Pepper sessions, "Hello Goodbye" "Strawberry Fields" and "All you need is Love" were originally 45 rpm singles, the most popular format at the time and not intended for album inclusion - radically there were no singles released off "Pepper" in the UK at the time, the album was intended to be listened to as a single entity (another band who later adopted this anti -single philosophy permanently was Led Zeppelin).
It is easy to criticise in retrospect - Pepper is not overrated.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 02:27 |
I don't like any Beatles album pre Abbey Road (Obviously I only like two Beatles albums).
But what kind of arrogant would I be to say that the album is overrated?
If a huge number of persons that know about music like it and I believe it's overrated then there are two posibilities:
1.- I'm wrong and the album is a masterpiece.
2.- All the rest of the peopke are diots that believe this album is great when as a fact i say it's overrated crap.
But most likely......I have a different taste than the vast majority of people, not better, not worst only different
But if the albun got recognition by people who I know have knowledge of music, then I can't dare to say it's overrated, they must have found on it something I'm not capable of finding.
Please, stiop using the term overrated, this is one of the reasons why people believe we're arrogant a$$holes, because we believe out taste is better than the one of the rest of the world.
Iván
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Dim
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 02:19 |
The Whistler wrote:
In hindsight, that didn't sound too much like you Schizo.
As for my opinion, I can give none. I've never heard Pepper in its completion; but I'm still betting that Stand Up is a better album. At least "Fat Man" is way catchier than whatever the Harrison sitar exercise on the second side was (and "Fat Man" doesn't even have a sitar! HA!). |
I agree, stand up is a great album, Tulls blues age was great!! Better than peppers? Debatable!
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 02:14 |
In hindsight, that didn't sound too much like you Schizo.
As for my opinion, I can give none. I've never heard Pepper in its completion; but I'm still betting that Stand Up is a better album. At least "Fat Man" is way catchier than whatever the Harrison sitar exercise on the second side was (and "Fat Man" doesn't even have a sitar! HA!).
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Dim
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Posted: August 09 2007 at 01:02 |
If you want me to be completely honest, I was havig a friend over, and he saw this thread and immedietly took the keyboard and ranted.
I for one am only interested in abbey road. 
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 07:43 |
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Magical Mystery is awesome, but i dont know why you say splhcb is non experimental. Lets see... Within Without you? The first three songs? Mr. Kite? There is more to expirimentalism than just music, they were the first grpup to write lyrics like this, and an entire song of sitar is pretty expirimental, i should say sooo. |
To be fair, he didn't say Sgt Pepper was "non experimental", he said MMT was more experimental. With "I am the Walrus" and "Strawberry Fields" he may have a point, but the two albums were recorded at pretty much the same time and there's little to choose between the two.
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Dim
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Posted: August 08 2007 at 02:41 |
Magical Mystery is awesome, but i dont know why you say splhcb is non experimental. Lets see... Within Without you? The first three songs? Mr. Kite? There is more to expirimentalism than just music, they were the first grpup to write lyrics like this, and an entire song of sitar is pretty expirimental, i should say sooo.
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sircosick
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 22:11 |
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Non overrated, in any sense. A masterpiece of prog and non-prog music, and Beatles' best together with Abbey Road.
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The best you can is good enough...
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keith_emerson
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 21:53 |
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wow..Sgt Pepper, such exciting and revolutionary. IMO, not overrated at all.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 21:29 |
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unlike Revolver (a great collection of songs) and Abbey Road (great but quite the pop album), Sgt. Peppers was as much an experience as a record, rivaled in atmosphere and texture that year only by Smiley Smile
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febus
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 21:16 |
Peto wrote:
This is not an anti-Beatles entry. I just think that Sgt. Pepper is horrendously overrated. Look at the albums that came before and after it - Revolver and Magical mystery tour. Both are much better in terms of songwriting, plus Magoical mystery tour is even more experimental than Sgt.
Revolver and Magical mystery tour should definitely be praised much more than that one as a whole.
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In the middle ages , people were sent to burn for such heretic comments!! 
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Posted: August 07 2007 at 14:51 |
I'm always ready to agree with any post saying that an album I don't like as much as others do is overrated.... 
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chopper
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 16:19 |
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I would agree that Revolver is a better and more focused album than Sgt Pepper but MMT was really only an EP originally. It just had some singles from the same period tacked on to make an album, so it's effectively a compilation (albeit a very good one).
And don't forget, two of the best tracks on the MMT album (Strawberry Fields and Penny Lane) were intended for Sgt Pepper but released as a single before hand due to the record company being after another single.
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Posted: August 06 2007 at 14:12 |
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As to the importance of Sgt. Pepper in the history of modern music, it is absolutely not overrated. That said, I am among those that personally prefer Abbey Road as my favorite Beatles album, but I don't find that Sgt. Pepper is overrated in terms of sheer musical content, either.
Finally, as you are new here, I think you'll come to find that "overrated" is a term with next to no value. Its use often boils down to someone expressing their opinion that they do not look favorably upon of a piece of work that is highly praised by many others. Art does not have a fundamental and absolute value - it is of course highly subjective.
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