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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 15:36
Originally posted by Swinton MCR Swinton MCR wrote:

I have just listened to Shrutis, Suritis, Puranas and Tantras......

Bluddy marvelous and in 1973 as well....ELP never attained this level because of the consistency problem...Yes produced 80 mins of sublime prog rock - as I have said before the piece of music is the paradigm that all prog bands should model their music on !!!!

Yeah but you like Triumvirat as well so i know you have a distinct hearing problem

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 15:30

I have just listened to Shrutis, Suritis, Puranas and Tantras......

Bluddy marvelous and in 1973 as well....ELP never attained this level because of the consistency problem...Yes produced 80 mins of sublime prog rock - as I have said before the piece of music is the paradigm that all prog bands should model their music on !!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 15:30

I absolutely love ELP's first 6 albums from ELP through Welcome Back My Friends...- with 'Trilogy' and 'Brain Salad Surgery' being especially brilliant. All of these are indisputably classic albums that fully deserve being amongst the best prog albums ever made. For this alone, I will always love the band. However, I think the reason the backlash started was what they would do later.

'Works' was the unacceptable face of prog; turgid 10 minute classical interpretations and mind-numbing displays of virtuosity. I'm one of those who always thought the whole point of music was melody and structure rather than pompous 'look-what-I-can-play' nonsense. 'Works Volume 2' was as inspired as the title- a collection of mostly rubbish outtakes and already released B-sides.

'Love Beach' was, along with Yes 'Tormato', one of the most disappointing albums of the genre- the front cover was horribly reminiscent of a Bee Gees album, and the music was shoddy pop with prog pretensions.

However, most prog bands have released a few turkeys in their time too- ELP are hardly alone in this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 15:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 14:33

Too long... and that was their egos???

Do you listen to prog music at all???   There's no such thing as too long............... and please show me a prog musician that doesn't have an ego.. .actually show me any musician that doesn't have an ego....

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 14:07
His Piaa no Concerto sounds allright to me, issnt he writing another one? And Toccata is just plain brilliant!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 13:50

I wish to remember only the strong points, and choose not to listen to the rest. And their strong points were very strong. The 1st album, The Tarkus Suite and BSS in particular were mindblowing. I think Toccata is great, so did Ginastera himself. The humor is not Monty Python or Blackadder quality, but it's just fun.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 12:01

For me, they were 1/3 brilliance  and 2/3 kitsch or complete crap altogether.

Their strong points: the instrumental ability, could write interesting material when they set their minds to it (like Tarkus, Karn Evel 9), an occasionally brilliant adaption of a classical piece here and there (like on "Barbarian, most of "Pictures At An Exhinition")

Where they fell on their a$%es: Their egos got the better of them, resulting in things that were WAYYYYY too long and in some cases, ideas, stretched to the breaking point, seemingly ZERO ability to self-edit, Greg Lake's voice deteriorated into pompous barking, Lake's SAPPY ballads,  Keith could improvise but not that great, over-reliance on technique alone, Extremely Lame attemps at humor in their music (Jeremy Bender, The Sherrif, Benny The Bouncer, Are You Ready Eddie?) Sometimes, their classical adaptions went completely haywire and off the deep end (Tocotta for example), Keith got way in over his head with his Piano Concerto (it just plain BLEW!!!!!  Very bad stringing together of Brahams and Rachmaninoff cliches

 

That about sums it up for me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 11:35
NME...posers music paper,always hated it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 10:54
Thats only because you prefer a guitar sound.  ELP didn't lack a musical dimension.. it just wasn't the one you wanted to hear.  The domination of the keyboard sound was ELP...  many prefer it.. some don't. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 10:45
ELP lack a musical dimension. That is why I am not a huge fan. If they had a solid guitar aspect, I would have really digged their work. However, they are often very one-dimensional. Listen to the Moog bass line in Karn Evil 9 while Greg is "soloing" on guitar. It sounds as if something is missing in the mix. The Moog bass just isn't solid enough for Greg to be able to put down his bass and noodle-out a guitar line. They lack organic instruments and Keith dominates all too often.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 10:38

Emerson, Lake and Palmer

The band the critics loved to hate!

“Rap-rock duo Insane Clown Posse were named the worst music artists ever by Blender.

The pair are best known for an ongoing feud with Eminem and for once asking Sharon Osbourne to "buff my pickle" on the Howard Stern radio show.

Blender's editor, Andy Pemberton, said: "If I were any of these groups, I would be angry about making the list - but they should be better. It's their fault they're on it."

The full list:

1. Insane Clown Posse

2. Emerson, Lake and Palmer

3. Michael Bolton.

“..feebly flashy musical laboratory of clinical cynicism serving up a soggy stew of ragged rock n’ roll remnants boiled with a crass classical flavouring.

An unbelievably shoddy mish-mash of incidental music and wiggly wobbly electronic frequencies” Gavin Martin

“Pretentious ego trippers wasting time and electricity producing their electronic sounds” Uncredited remarks from Music Paper review in 1970

“Every effect is exaggerated; at all times they seem anxious to prove they can play with incredible speed and technique”. J.Johnson NME

“Listen all you heavy duty connoisseurs of DUMBNESS in rock, these dudes make the Ramones come on like PHD’s by comparison. It’s like watching chimps typing out Shakespeare: It’s very difficult and I wish it had been impossible. To acquire so much technical skill (without developing any feel) and then expend it on producing such collosally stupid music is virtually tragic”. S.Murray NME 1977

“A shame to see such talent wasted on pompous, self-gratifying trivia” Watford Evening Echo

“An ELP concert is plainly a serious pilgrimage. I think few concerts in recent times have attracted a bunch of people less disposed towards frivolousness.........

At present the show is all rather humourless. One may be left open-mouthed at the size of it all, reeling at the sound and the complexity, revelling in the splendour, but it’s so intense I wonder whether anybody, on either side of the stage, really has very much fun.” J.Johnson NME 1974

“From the beginning ELP established a reputation as a furiously active trio of unsurpassed technical ability although some critics felt such expertise didn’t compensate for a certain lack of feeling in ELP’s music” NME Book of Rock

“They have produced sonie of the most exciting instrumental rock of the seventies that has struck a responsive chord in audiences across the world” Chris Welch in 1973

“They’ve proved their point that the classical approach to modern music can provide the exhilaration and suspense to make it a vastly popular commodity.” R.Sanders Music Scene

“ELP look exciting and their music combines confused images of the raucous, incoherent noises of contemporary street life with a fastidiously preserved classical base.” Financial Times

“It’s very difficult to keep three people, each one exceptional in his own right, working together on a single harmonious career”. Music Scene

“The ultimate vindication of ELP comes in their live performance, which vigorously rebuts most of the accusations made against them. ELP are said to be sterile, clinical, lacking in emotional commitment. Alternatively, the musicians allegedly lack humour or warmth. Strangely, this sort of description appears totally at odds with the evidence of the band’s act” Bob Edmands NME

“The premise of ELP is the fusion of three highly individual personalities, each possessing an outstanding technique. Invariably, when three soloists are co-opted into the same band there’s always a battle for individual supremacy which either resolves itself with one member coming out on top and dominating his colleagues, or with the band fracturing in a clash of artistic temperaments. I suppose it’s to their credit that ELP have survived so long” Roy Carr NME

“Roaring keyboards, thundering drums, flashing knives, cracking whips, full blooded vocals and soul stirring anthems. The sight of Emerson, Lake and Palmer in full cry was entertaining and awe-inspiring.......they played anything they liked with astonishing power and usually at breakneck speed. An ELP concert at its best was a thrilling experience”. Chris Welch Rock World

“ELP were the band who had everything. Great style, a fountain of ideas and a fanatical following. They achieved so much but could have done so much more. Never was a band so praised and so vilified. But whatever the negative aspects of the trio, they left behind a legacy of great music and the memory of an exciting stage act”. Chris Welch

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2005 at 09:41

Maybe I shouldnt do this.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2005 at 18:42

Originally posted by CrimsonKing CrimsonKing wrote:

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2005 at 18:09
 
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CrimsonKing wrote:

 I notice Karpy and 3farts always try to finish what the other started. 

Just one thing can you reverse you user name!!!

I take that your a KC fan & by the reverse title you like their debut....Yeh?

I have never ever come across an early KC fan that dislikes ELP..





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 I notice Karpy and 3farts always try to finish what the other started. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2005 at 17:54
Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

So I hope you can accept this as a truce, and please stop trying to hurt me...

Otherwise you'll have to go back to picking on GDub about his sex life or Eddy about his spelling...

Not trying to hurt anyone.....that's not even the point.I think you are being disingenuous there.

Hardly, just trying to get you to stop your madness... look you have once again made this a thread dedicated to me trying to placate to you.  Thats what you do... thats not honest, but you are correct... it is very manipulative of you.. and you do do that in spades...

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I've never condemned anyone on this site, not Wallace.. not even you, so why would I start with an avid ELP fan who tries to protect me??  

On the pretext of "defending" you he has sworn at about 25% of the regular contributors on this forum! That is why we would like to see some condemnation!!!

No, the reason you want to see some condemnation...(cause no one else here has ever asked me to).... is because you can't stand handle him being my protector and you want me to swear so kind of loyalty to you... even as you bash me...  and it also has something to do with that alpha male syndrome...  hey, a few have pmed me about thinking the same thing...

Sooooo,there you have it.I'm the big bad wolf and you are the injured party.
Returning to the "Tsunami" incident-as I have said before I have problems with people who take offence for entire nations.I apologised unreservedly and unless you genuinely feel that I am glad it happened and that thousands were killed your reaction to my apology was f**king disgraceful!

You again either didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote above on this.. or ignored it just to get in another manipulative statement...   You can't turn around what you did by trying to say that I was disgraceful.  You were totally cruel and out of line, and I was under no obligation to accept your apology, and that does not make me the disgraceful one...or take away from what you did!

So there we have it.All done in public then any private words cant be twisted or sent without appropriate editing.I may be all the things everyone thinks I am,but at least i am honest.Too f**king honest.

All done in public... cause "you the man"... yeh, yeh... we're all so impressed!!

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No, the reason you want to see some condemnation...(cause no one else here has ever asked me to).... is because you can't stand handle him being my protector and you want me to swear some kind of loyalty to you... even as you bash me...  and it also has something to do with that alpha male syndrome...  hey, a few have pmed me about thinking the same thing...

Incredible.

 You can't turn around what you did by trying to say that I was disgraceful.  You were totally cruel and out of line, and I was under no obligation to accept your apology, and that does not make me the disgraceful one...or take away from what you did!

Out of the mouths of................Dead

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 16 2005 at 17:41
Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

So I hope you can accept this as a truce, and please stop trying to hurt me...

Otherwise you'll have to go back to picking on GDub about his sex life or Eddy about his spelling...

Not trying to hurt anyone.....that's not even the point.I think you are being disingenuous there.

Hardly, just trying to get you to stop your madness... look you have once again made this a thread dedicated to me trying to placate to you.  Thats what you do... thats not honest, but you are correct... it is very manipulative of you.. and you do do that in spades...

Originally posted by threefates threefates wrote:

I've never condemned anyone on this site, not Wallace.. not even you, so why would I start with an avid ELP fan who tries to protect me??  

On the pretext of "defending" you he has sworn at about 25% of the regular contributors on this forum! That is why we would like to see some condemnation!!!

No, the reason you want to see some condemnation...(cause no one else here has ever asked me to).... is because you can't stand handle him being my protector and you want me to swear so kind of loyalty to you... even as you bash me...  and it also has something to do with that alpha male syndrome...  hey, a few have pmed me about thinking the same thing...

Sooooo,there you have it.I'm the big bad wolf and you are the injured party.
Returning to the "Tsunami" incident-as I have said before I have problems with people who take offence for entire nations.I apologised unreservedly and unless you genuinely feel that I am glad it happened and that thousands were killed your reaction to my apology was f**king disgraceful!

You again either didn't read or didn't understand what I wrote above on this.. or ignored it just to get in another manipulative statement...   You can't turn around what you did by trying to say that I was disgraceful.  You were totally cruel and out of line, and I was under no obligation to accept your apology, and that does not make me the disgraceful one...or take away from what you did!

So there we have it.All done in public then any private words cant be twisted or sent without appropriate editing.I may be all the things everyone thinks I am,but at least i am honest.Too f**king honest.

All done in public... cause "you the man"... yeh, yeh... we're all so impressed!!

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