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Firepuck
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 12:52 |
valravennz wrote:
Only one album I wanted to see remastered was Steve Hackett's "Voyage of The Acolyte". I have two copies on vinyl and one on CD. The vinyl original mastering was not very good imo. My CD copy is also the non-remastered version. It sounds slightly better than the vinyl but still lacks bass and sounds "tinny" to me. If anyone has the new remastered version, I would love to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality as compared to the original masters.  |
Just picked it up yesterday but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, so I can't comment 
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Flip_Stone
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 12:47 |
A lot of albums would sound better by remixing and remastering them. But it's mostly a money issue as to why more aren't updated.
Rerecording may not be the best approach anyway. The sound quality might be better and more modern, but some of the nuances and characteristics that give older prog. a classic sound would be lost.
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rushfan6588
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 12:32 |
Ultaigh wrote:
Empathy wrote:
Jethro Tull's Aqualung was mastered at a total whisper's volume for some reason; was just listening to it this morning. I'd like to hear it cleaned up. |
I know, for some reason they didn't really "remaster" that album atleast not to the quality of Thick as a Brick or Songs from the Wood.
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Oh..this was (is) hellishly bad...and the problem is...if i remember correctly...the origional recording studio was an abandoned church. the studio they were recording in was overly large, thats why the volume is sooo low, they had to keep the volumes on the equiptment way down so as not to get an ass load of feedback.
The church they recorded in had a second properly constructed studio in the basement...but another more popular band...someone called THE WHO or something ...occupied the better studio.
Soooo...that one could DEFINATELY use a loving remaster.
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FragileDT
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:46 |
Empathy wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I would like to see the following albums re-recorded, with whatever
technique...
A farewell to Kings - Rush |
Really? What's your issue with this one?
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Yeah I've always found the production on Rush albums from 2112 and on
sound great.
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Empathy
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 09:40 |
Blacksword wrote:
I would like to see the following albums re-recorded, with whatever technique...
A farewell to Kings - Rush |
Really? What's your issue with this one?
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Paulieg
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:45 |
I'd love to hear Metamorfosi's Inferno redone. Also King Crimson's Lizard release.
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valravennz
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:30 |
Only one album I wanted to see remastered was Steve Hackett's "Voyage of The Acolyte". I have two copies on vinyl and one on CD. The vinyl original mastering was not very good imo. My CD copy is also the non-remastered version. It sounds slightly better than the vinyl but still lacks bass and sounds "tinny" to me. If anyone has the new remastered version, I would love to know if there is a noticeable difference in sound quality as compared to the original masters.
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eddietrooper
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 06:10 |
I think the old albums have an special charm and I would not like any of them to be redone. I agree that some recordings may be improved by enhancing some instruments that can't be heard clearly, but this can be done with a remastering. A good example is Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield: I would like to hear more clearly and loud the bass (specially the first minutes of the album), but I don't like to listen to the 2002 redone version because I think that the charm of that old recording was gone.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:48 |
There are some albums that I'd love to see re-recorded:
- Shadow Gallery - Shadow Gallery
- Ayreon - Actual Fantasy (has already been done - sounds AWESOME!)
- Porcupine Tree - Voyage 34
- Symphony X - Symphony X (The re-recorded version of Masquerade shows the potential!)
- Dream Theater - WDADU

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PROGMAN
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:47 |
Remasters are fine with me too but re-recording isn't loses it originality but can a remaster resolve poor sound production?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:39 |
I don't want ANY album RE-RECORDED. Remasters however are fine. As to "Pawn Hearts": It was remastered, as I said before. But I must say I don't see anything wrong with the production of "Foxtrot", "Nursery Cryme", "Tales from Topographic Oceans" or "In the Wake of Poseidon". And sometimes a remastering seems to have the opposite effect: What before sounded warm and natural suddenly sounds cold and sterile. On the whole I must say I am not very much interested in remastering. Maybe it is because brilliance of sound doesn't interest me at all as a general rule. The best sound engineer of all is my brain. I don't like it though if an instrument becomes very difficult to hear, as is the case with the violin sometimes on High Tide's "Sea Shanties" (especially in the track "Death Warmed Up"); a remastering which accentuates the violin a little more would do the album good.
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PROGMAN
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:28 |
I feel sorry sorry for ex-Genesis drummer John Silver, they made his drumming sound so amateur, and that organ Tony Banks used on FGTR tut, tut, anyway Peter sounds great and Mike's bass is excellent, all were great but the sound production didn't give em justice.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:24 |
I would agree that the early Genesis albums have mostly bad production, but I dont think it's an issue of analog vs digital. A better producer would have made a better job of those albums with the technology available at the time. Look at the massive improvemtns David Henschell bought to the bands sound.
I would like to see the following albums re-recorded, with whatever technique...
Nursery Cryme - Genesis Foxtrot - Genesis TFTO - Yes Pawn Hearts - VDGG In the wake of Posseidon - KC A farewell to Kings - Rush
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PROGMAN
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:18 |
From Genesis to Revelation - sound quality and production let's it down.
Stereo needs resorting, instruments need to be louder and arrangments need more organising.
A Hammond would have been a treat, not that cheap organ they used.
it was a early concept effort, but the production was a let down for them.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 05:09 |
High Tide's "Sea Shanties" could need a remastering; the violin is sometimes very difficult to hear. Someone mentioned "Pawn Hearts"; this one was remastered (as were all other VdGG albums) and sounds very different (and better) now.
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theBox
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:52 |
My Pick would be Yezda Urfa's "Sacred Baboon" Such a masterpiece and yet so depressingly underproduced....
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salmacis
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:45 |
I think 'Ritual' sounded incredible in the studio- the version on 'Songs From The Tsongas', excellent though it is, sounds a little bit TOO polished and lacks the thrill of the original, or even the live versions from the 70s- I saw a clip of them playing it live with a full light show combined with the astonishing primal thrill near the end, and it looked fantastic.
I don't, as a rule, believe in re-recorded versions of anything- what's done is done, and any attempt to 'better' an original will always fail to my ears- certainly in the keyboard department; many of today's instruments are a bit too slick sounding.
Glad someone agrees about the Aqualung 'remaster'- to me, it sounds by far the weakest of all the Tull CDs I own, being flat, non powerful and lacking depth. Needs an overhaul, imo.
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Sacred 22
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:13 |
Hmmmm, let me see now. Oh ya, I would really like to see Yes redo "Topographic Oceans". I think the music has all kinds of potential and after hearing The Ritual live on their latest live DVD's it's clear that the music is timeless. I think an injection of some new ideas coupled with the advancements in recording techniques would greatly enhance the masterpiece that is Topographic Oceans.
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SaintVitus
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 04:06 |
ELP's re-recording of Pictures at an Exhibition (i think it's from
1993) shows how much you can improve an old record by using state of
the art technology....IMO the new recording is so much better.
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 03:49 |
King crimson's Earthbond.
It's my favorite live album, but unfortunately the recording was poorely done.
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