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Drachen Theaker 
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 Posted: March 24 2006 at 03:25 |
 stechell wrote:
OK I started the topic and will give my opinion. Asked my Brit parents this question (should have started doing this!!  ).
After several minutes of thinking they told me..."just because we've been always the first to change any existing schemes and being the first gives you the advantage of going one or two steps ahead". In terms of Prog, maybe they are right. The first to change Rock's image were The Beatles, then The Rolling Stones. When the world started to copy the British model, they decided to mix classical influence with Rock. Prog was born. Later, Punk appeared. Punk ruled the market until again they mixed it with Reggae, The Police appeared and the world got crazy and so on....
Do you agree with this??
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Britain has always been good at doing things first - jet engines, the internet, parliamentary democracy, tea bags etc (although not very good at making money from it!) In the 60s I think UK musicians were in a unique position. A whole generation (The Beatles, Stones, Page, Clapton, plus proggers like Yes, Genesis, ELP) had grown up listening to US rock & roll, jazz, blues etc. They also had the European classical tradition close at hand to influence them. I read a quote from John Wetton where he said they basically fused these two elements together and made it into dynamite. So I think that's how the UK produced so many successful bands. 
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stechell
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 02:20 |
OK I started the topic and will give my opinion. Asked my Brit parents this question (should have started doing this!! ).
After several minutes of thinking they told me..."just because we've been always the first to change any existing schemes and being the first gives you the advantage of going one or two steps ahead". In terms of Prog, maybe they are right. The first to change Rock's image were The Beatles, then The Rolling Stones. When the world started to copy the British model, they decided to mix classical influence with Rock. Prog was born. Later, Punk appeared. Punk ruled the market until again they mixed it with Reggae, The Police appeared and the world got crazy and so on....
Do you agree with this??
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darren
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Posted: March 24 2006 at 01:35 |
I think the UK's reason for all that prog is simply the school system from post-war to about the mid-sixties. The emphasis was on classical music, classical poetry, mythology and renaisance art. If you were brought up in this environment, it's got to affect you somehow.
Just mix the symphonic approach to music, British invasion rock and roll, American psychedelia and a heavy influence of classical poetry.
Sound reasonable? This is just my guess.
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"they locked up a man who wanted to rule the world.
the fools
they locked up the wrong man."
- Leonard Cohen
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el böthy
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 21:05 |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 18:49 |
It's remarkable that the first progressive rock wave (Genesis, ELP, Yes, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, etc.) in the early Seventies and the neo-progressive rock (Marillion, IQ, Twelfth Night) in the early Eighties were rooted in the UK, both turned out to be very pivotal and commercially successfull! What could be the reason? Perhaps the huge possibilities to play gigs (the UK has a very vivid circuit that started in the Sixties) along with the good musical training and strong determination to become a professional musician. I don't think that the UK progrock musicians were better or more creative than in Italy, Peru, Japan or the USA but the entire scene was very prolific and gave the opportunity to bands like Genesis, Yes, ELP and King Crimson to mature. So it was the right time and the right place along with some other elements, in my opinion.
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Dr Know
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 18:49 |
Violator, what I meant was there were great bands that came out of Britain in the 70´s, Floyd, Rainbow etc..
But nowadays there are bands like The Darkness and Coldplay, nothing really ground-breakingly new.
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Vi0LaToR
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 18:25 |
Dr Know wrote:
In the 70´s Britain produced the greatest bands, whatever happened? Now we have bands like Coldplay and Radiohead |
... what bands produced Usa in 70´s? and what bands have we now?
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Dr Know
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 16:23 |
In the 70´s Britain produced the greatest bands, whatever happened? Now we have bands like Coldplay and Radiohead
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 14:58 |
Thankyou! 
Although I apologise to any Irish forumers. U2 are NOT British.. You have to take the credit for them.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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daz2112
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 14:53 |
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In the constellation of cygnus,There lurks a mysterious force...The black hole
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 14:46 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
The best music has always come from Great Britain, prog or otherwise IMO. It's one of the few things we're any good at. I have no idea why we consistently turned out so many world conquering bands.
A sample of Britains Rock premier league...
GenesisYesPink FloydJethro TullKing CrimsonEmerson Lake & PalmerThe Moody BluesLed ZeppelinDeep PurpleBlack SabbathThe BeatlesThe WhoThe StonesIron MaidenJudas PriestMotorheadRainbowU2Radiohead
In terms of record sales, global recognition and general success, can anyone name a country that has produced more world class acts?
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Indeed, you are talented for music, but "Iron Maiden Judas Priest Motorhead U2 Radiohead" do not belong to the good ones IMO! |
I agree. I was going more for quantity rather than quality with regard to these bands. They are all multi-platinum selling rock bands, who have been going for 10 years plus.. That was really my loose criteria..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Rosescar
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 14:01 |
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Why was Great Britain the largest empire ever?
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My music!
"THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp
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Vi0LaToR
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 09:20 |
UK roolz above all well.. how many bands of rest of the world are considered really good? maybe 20?....30?  well.. how many bands of UK are considered really good? 200...300?
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eugene
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 09:17 |
stechell wrote:
I've always wondered why do the British Isles produce so many great Prog bands (and mainstream too). I don't have a clue. Do you?? |
It's a PHENOMENON! To try to give a proper answer to that you need to convey deep and thorough scientific researches, taking into account thousands of factors which might have had their influence on this subject. Otherwise, we can only guess.
And another thing which is bothering me from time to time: why had Russia been producing the greatest litterature in the world, and not only over certain period of time, but since after the appearance of written language uptill nowadays???
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Machinemessiah
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 09:07 |
-Some kings and queens... Excalibur, Robin Hood...
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¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 08:57 |
Stonehedge :) sherwood forest ..
Um ..
Snobby universities :) and private schools.
:X
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oliverstoned
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 08:29 |
...a little mysticism
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Machinemessiah
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 08:23 |
oliverstoned wrote:
I would put magic plants inside the cauldron... |
I think that would be the main ingredient!
I would throw in too
- history
- science fiction
- mithology
- humor
- rock
- cassical music
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oliverstoned
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 08:14 |
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I would put magic plants inside the cauldron...
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Machinemessiah
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 08:12 |
¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ wrote:
because ..
we have elegance probably :)
and lots of forests.
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I think we might start a sub-topic on this: If you had a cauldron like those of the druids, what ingredients would conform good Progressive music? We already have elegance and forests... Can you think of others?
Edited by Machinemessiah
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