The Prog Archives Top 100

Progger wrote: Winter Wine wrote: ^ I mentioned ELP yesterday, I really feel they should be higher, especially trilogy and brain salad surgery. now that i think, it would have been nice if you said that yesterday You are spot on! I have made it clear before that the top 100 is rigged! You have the same reviewers [Genesis fans are the most guilty] giving albums 5 stars over and over again. The two albums you mentioned are far superior to the likes of 'Trespass' and 'Nursery Crime'. I don't pay one bit of attention to the top 100 because it is corrupt!

That's nonsense - it's not corrupt. It may well be open to manipulation by people posting 5 star reviews, but it's still a reasonable reflection of popularity.
You say "The two albums you mentioned are far superior to the likes of 'Trespass' and 'Nursery Crime'" - well, that's just your opinion and more people here disagree with that statement than agree with it, and that is why the Genesis albums are higher than ELPs.

Having said that, I am surprised at the lack of ELP in the top 100. I think it may be because albums by Genesis and Yes are more consistently better than ELPs. The majority of ELP albums do have some stinkers (and I am an ELP fan, by the way)

Winter Wine wrote: ^ I mentioned ELP yesterday, I really feel they should be higher, especially trilogy and brain salad surgery. now that i think, it would have been nice if you said that yesterday

You are spot on! I have made it clear before that the top 100 is rigged! You have the same reviewers [Genesis fans are the most guilty] giving albums 5 stars over and over again. The two albums you mentioned are far superior to the likes of 'Trespass' and 'Nursery Crime'. I don't pay one bit of attention to the top 100 because it is corrupt!

richardh wrote: I'm concerned about the anti ELP feeling reflected in the top 100.I can live with the fact Brain Salad Surgery isn't in the top twenty but Tarkus not in the list at all is plain barmy (IMO). That said the top ten is very reasonable and does reflect the very best prog has to offer (BSS being the only glaring omission) so I can except it.

I tend to agree with you about ELP Richard, but they do tend to polarise opinions much more than the other major prog bands. You will remember all too well the heated debates about ELP about a year ago. Thankfully things have settled down a lot since then in that respect, but I suspect a number of the reviews and ratings around that time were more extreme (one way or the other) than they might otherwise have been.

I can understand Tarkus not being among the highest rated. If it was a single sided LP it would undoubtedly be much higher, but for many the second side pulls its rating down. Personally, I would have expected Trilogy to be up there with the best, but surprisingly it has not been reviewed all that much when compared to other big hitters.

Indeed, the volume of ELP reviews currently being posted is very low. Given that the algorithm for the chart takes account of the number of reviews (among other things), it does to some extent explain why ELP are not placed higher.

chopper wrote: Nothing personal Mr Wine, it's just some people have caused problems with multiple logins (and they're against forum rules). The admins probably could have reset your password, but anyway keep on postin'...

thank you

i've decided i'll start writing like this from now on because some people get real cranky

just to let you know.

and snow dog, i'm interested in prog music, my intentions are just to enjoy lokkin through the site, what else could it be?

If a list of best-25 or top-10 could done with the aficionados for jazz, classical, bossa nova, country, etc the great names of each style will appear on top, always. We are not different from the rest of the humankind (although many prog-fans think we are ).

Also it is very difficult for me to imagine a Genesis or a VDGG or a Tull fan filling his wall with posters and photos of his/her favorite band(s). We are not popish!!!

Forgot My First Password, Had To Start Over. You'd Swear I Killed Someone

TheProgtologist wrote: stonebeard wrote: Give 'em a break, Mike. It's Not That Hard To Read! No...but it's annoying. I saw someone write a review like that(might have even been the topic creator).

I find it annoying as well. I think Mr Wine has also been in the forums under another name (Thomas Mardy?) but the init caps give it away.

I would just like to say that I think the Top 100 is good and is a pretty good reflection of the "classic" albums. Obviously it's not going to reflect everyone's taste but it does reflect the majority.

Winter Wine wrote: ... Deserves A Place In The Top Ten, Nursery Cryme Doesn't.

What???

Kill yourself!!!

I'm not offended ... just "mildly annoyed" and a bit sleepy. Perhaps you could wear glasses, write normally and make life a little bit easier for us normal people?