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Destrio
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 20:55 |
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Fritha
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 18:06 |
Here's a quote from Steve...Hackett that is taken from an article in Classical Guitar (June 2005)
"I find the older I get, the more capable I am of playing quickly, but it's an important gear to avoid. It's important not to keep proving to people that you can play quickly and there is so [much] purely fast playing in rock music nowadays. I prefer the slow, legato line. It's important to learn all the properties of the guitar and an excess of technique doesn't really help you to write a simple tune. I'd rather be a composer than a virtuoso."
In other words, perhaps the two Steve's are not that far apart technique-wise, they just have a slightly different approach to the guitar in general...
Though I do think that Howe very often managed to incorporate virtuosity AND atmospheric musicality in an admirable way during the golden era of Yes (Drama included)
Still, I voted for Mr. Hackett -if only because he is so far the only guitar player that has managed to reduce me to tears (Firth of Fifth and Hairless Heart)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 17:10 |
Proglover wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
Progger wrote:
I have spoken to artists to have played with both and they all said the same thing, 'Howe is the far better player'. Howe's awards in the field are unrivalled. I like Hackett but he was only a 'bit' part player in Genesis with too much inactivity! |
A bit partof Genesis?
The atmospheric sound that was trademark of Genesis was created and developed by Hackett, Genesis resisted the departure of their lyricist and most charismatic figure (Peter Gabriel) but the quality went down when Steve left.
Which Howe awards? Howe made 90% of his career in Yes, Hackett has played with almost every Prog' musician and has probably the most solid solo career in Prog.
Iván
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Ummm lets get something straight....THE Genesis sound WAS TONY BANKS.... NOT STEVE HACKETT!!
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NO way, The Genesis sound was the blending of Steve's gitar with Tony's keyboards.
Listen Firth of Fifth, the guitar sounds almost as a second keyboard, something hard to achieve in the 70's when there was no MIDI guitar.
And I insist, I see no versatility in Steve Howe, just listen Midsummer Night Dream by Hackett and tell me who is versatile and who's not.
By the way, I never judge the quality of the musician for how hard to play are his parts, I judge the quality of the music on the beauty of his work.
Iván
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Proglover
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 17:06 |
I don't buy the idea that Steve Hackett is a more emotional player than Steve Howe.... like I said, Steve Howe is one of the most emotive guitar players I have ever heard. There are FEW rock guitarists who play with more emotion than Mr. Howe.
And ladies and gentlemen lets get another thing straight...It is possible to be technically sound AND emotionally fluent.... technique and emotion DO NOT need to be separate!!
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Proglover
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 17:02 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Progger wrote:
I have spoken to artists to have played with both and they all said the same thing, 'Howe is the far better player'. Howe's awards in the field are unrivalled. I like Hackett but he was only a 'bit' part player in Genesis with too much inactivity! |
A bit partof Genesis?
The atmospheric sound that was trademark of Genesis was created and developed by Hackett, Genesis resisted the departure of their lyricist and most charismatic figure (Peter Gabriel) but the quality went down when Steve left.
Which Howe awards? Howe made 90% of his career in Yes, Hackett has played with almost every Prog' musician and has probably the most solid solo career in Prog.
Iván
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Ummm lets get something straight....THE Genesis sound WAS TONY BANKS.... NOT STEVE HACKETT!!
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Proglover
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 17:01 |
Deliriumist wrote:
I like Hackett more than Howe - Hackett's technique is better and he seems to be far more educated in the field of music. Howe just plays well and it looks like he's more into that country and rag and jazz thing. |
..........What's wrong with the country/ jazz/ rag thing?????????????????
...oh you also forgot that he plays CLASSICAL guitar, BLUES, guitar, ROCK guitar.... he also uses a larger assortment of guitars than Hackett does.
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Proglover
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 16:58 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
kirklott wrote:
Howe is the better by far, and possibly the greatest guitarist of all time. His versatility and ecclectism are unrivaled.
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Wersatility????? The guy has been playing the same two solos for more than 30 years (Clap and Mood for a Day) and during all that time, not a single variation or arrangement, the guy playes safe, his solo albums are closer to Yes than to anything else, he's skilled, but not versatile.
Hackett on the other hand, has played Prog', Classic Guitar, Rock, Pop, absolutely everything, that's versatility.
Iván
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Ummm not to once again stir the pot between us, but I totally disagree with EVERYTHING you said Ivan, and I quite frankly have NO IDEA where you got your opinion from. First off, Steve Howe NEVER plays ANYTHING the extact same way twice. I have live performances of Mr. Howe performing Clap and Mood for a Day and each time there is something different. So that cancels out your argument there. Howe is EXTREMELY versatile..... MUCH MORE THAN HACKETT... Im sorry but lets use our ears please. Hackett's playing while it is indeed good, does not really strike me the way that Howe's playing does. Steve Howe is without a doubt one of the most emotive players I have ever heard.
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EL OSO
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 16:48 |
Both are two of the best, if not the best, guitarists in the progressive music world, but as I´ve seen it Howe´s more technically skilled, as a guitarist myself I can play most of Hackett´s material, but from Howe the only track I can play in it´s entirety is Long Distance Runaround, so looking from the complexity side, I´d rather go with Howe. I give more credit to those guitarists who can play things I can´t, but I really love Hackett´s compositions. |
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raindance
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 12:07 |
I do like Hackett especially his atmospherics but Howe is obviously the more melodic and technically gifted. I can play a little bit of guitar and Horizon's is very simple to play, as is his Genesis work.There's very few Howe licks I have mastered!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 11:51 |
Progger wrote:
I have spoken to artists to have played with both and they all said the same thing, 'Howe is the far better player'. Howe's awards in the field are unrivalled. I like Hackett but he was only a 'bit' part player in Genesis with too much inactivity! |
A bit partof Genesis?
The atmospheric sound that was trademark of Genesis was created and developed by Hackett, Genesis resisted the departure of their lyricist and most charismatic figure (Peter Gabriel) but the quality went down when Steve left.
Which Howe awards? Howe made 90% of his career in Yes, Hackett has played with almost every Prog' musician and has probably the most solid solo career in Prog.
Iván
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Progger
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 11:14 |
I have spoken to artists to have played with both and they all said the same thing, 'Howe is the far better player'. Howe's awards in the field are unrivalled. I like Hackett but he was only a 'bit' part player in Genesis with too much inactivity!
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Korova
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Posted: December 03 2005 at 10:49 |
Howe for me
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La Speranza della coscienza è forza
La Speranza del sentimento è schiavitù
La Speranza del corpo è malattia
(G.I. Gurdjieff)
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Deliriumist
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Posted: December 01 2005 at 10:44 |
I like Hackett more than Howe - Hackett's technique is better and he
seems to be far more educated in the field of music. Howe just plays
well and it looks like he's more into that country and rag and jazz
thing.
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TheLamb
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Posted: December 01 2005 at 10:24 |
Howe is in my avatar right now so I'll vote for him.. but Hackett is definitely better :)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 23:43 |
kirklott wrote:
Howe is the better by far, and possibly the greatest guitarist of all time. His versatility and ecclectism are unrivaled.
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Wersatility????? The guy has been playing the same two solos for more than 30 years (Clap and Mood for a Day) and during all that time, not a single variation or arrangement, the guy playes safe, his solo albums are closer to Yes than to anything else, he's skilled, but not versatile.
Hackett on the other hand, has played Prog', Classic Guitar, Rock, Pop, absolutely everything, that's versatility.
Iván
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kirklott
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 23:03 |
There must be some multiple voting here.
Howe is the better by far, and possibly the greatest guitarist of all time. His versatility and ecclectism are unrivaled.
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"Progressive rock is the key to the continuance of human evolution." - Charles Darwin
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KeysToAscension
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:42 |
Howe!!! Progressive Extreme Guitar!!!
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Bj-1
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 18:26 |
Steve Hackett
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KoS
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 17:42 |
Howe is more rockin' then hackett
although Hacket does show more emotion
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drumsandbass
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Posted: November 30 2005 at 17:34 |
Howe. Very versatile and also a member of my favorite band . I must
admit that Hacket very crafty though.
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