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Charles
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:04 |
Are u sure it was actually rotten because i just watched the movie the filth and the fury and i saw Paul Cook the drummer wearing that shirt
Speaking of Paul Cook, the numbskulls at All Music Guide still think that Paul Cook formerly of IQ was the same drummer from the Sex Pistols......
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goose
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 16:04 |
FragileDT wrote:
I chose Tull. Folk is definitely not cool in the punk world. |
I think The Pogues, Flogging Molly and a fair few other groups might disagree with you there.
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:51 |
I voted Pink Floyd but could be any or all.
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Hemispheres
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:48 |
Moogtron III wrote:
ELP? That's what I voted. But you know... I remembered that the Sex Pistols' lead singer Johnny Rotten actually owned a T-shirt with the text: "I HATE PINK FLOYD!"
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Are u sure it was actually rotten because i just watched the movie the filth and the fury and i saw Paul Cook the drummer wearing that shirt
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Empathy
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:46 |
Moogtron III wrote:
Yes, Queen was also a target. I read in a
Dutch music magazine that Johnny Rotten once met Freddy Mercury, and
that Johnny said: "Well, Fred, you've really introduced ballet to the
masses, haven't you?" and that Freddy said indifferently: "We try, mr.
Wild Man, we try"
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Man, I miss Freddy.
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Syzygy
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:45 |
Moogtron III wrote:
Yes, Queen was also a target. I read in a Dutch music magazine that Johnny Rotten once met Freddy Mercury, and that Johnny said: "Well, Fred, you've really introduced ballet to the masses, haven't you?" and that Freddy said indifferently: "We do our best, mr. Wild Man, we do our best"
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I also read that Mercury got on quite well with Sid Vicious (The Pistols and Queen were recording in adjacent studios - the mind fairly boggles) and would greet him with a camply drawled 'Good morning, Mr Ferocious, and how are you today?'
Even more bizarre was Ian Anderson getting asked for an autograph by Johnny Ramone. Anderson checked out the Ramone's show and greatly admired the way they got straight to the point.
Captain Sensible talked about his admiration for Soft Machine in the Q/Mojo prog special.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:39 |
Yes, Queen was also a target. I read in a Dutch music magazine that Johnny Rotten once met Freddy Mercury, and that Johnny said: "Well, Fred, you've really introduced ballet to the masses, haven't you?" and that Freddy said indifferently: "We try, mr. Wild Man, we try"
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Charles
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:33 |
Oh yeah as for who I voted for definitely was ELP, and I remember the music media also cite songs like Bohemian Rhapsody amongst the biggest offenders...
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:31 |
Syzygy wrote:
Johnny Rotten was a big fan of VDGG/Hammill, The Damned
were major Soft Machine enthusiasts and Jello Biafra is into Magma. Syd
Barrett's Pink Floyd were also popular with the early UK punks, and
Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy tour attracted a bizarre punk/hippy
audience, plus Steve Hillage jammed onstage with Sham 69 and formed a
lasting friendship with Jimmy Pursey. |
The Damned were into Soft Machine!!?? blimey
I voted for ELP, because they were seen as the most pretentious.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:31 |
ELP? That's what I voted. But you know... I remembered that the Sex Pistols' lead singer Johnny Rotten actually owned a T-shirt with the text: "I HATE PINK FLOYD!"
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Politician
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:29 |
ELP. A lot of punks would be able to relate to harder-edged stuff like
AMON DÜÜL II or HAWKWIND, or even something like CATAPILLA (since
Anna Meek's vocals so closely resemble Johnny Rotten's in parts!), but I
can't see them ever liking ELP.
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Charles
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:29 |
Punk was more a reaction against the distancing of acts like The Who, The Roliing Stones, The Faces and The Kinks from their roots than it was against prog - despite what the hacks in the UK music press would have you believe.
I remember reading in a magazine and then a special which mentioned this same exact thing, the Kinks were becoming conceptual, The Stones were doing Disco, The Who were becoming more bombastic...
Peter Weller is one of the few musicians associaited with the Punk movement, that cared for any Symphonis band... He bought Steve Hackett's Mellotron. Guest appeared on a few of Peter Gabriel's solo albums....
Mark E. Smith asides for Can, loved Syd Barrett, and early Pink Floyd
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sm sm
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:26 |
It was the lazy music press that tried to kill prog.
Trying to critique prog is like trying to critique classical or jazz. It takes a lot more effort to analyse a composition than a 3 minute song with words you can easily disiminate.
When they glorified punk and new wave as anyone can play, they also meant anyone can critique it as well.
With punk it was more time spent in the pub and less time working.
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Syzygy
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:21 |
Charles wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
Johnny Rotten was a big fan of VDGG/Hammill, The Damned were major Soft Machine enthusiasts and Jello Biafra is into Magma. Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd were also popular with the early UK punks, and Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy tour attracted a bizarre punk/hippy audience, plus Steve Hillage jammed onstage with Sham 69 and formed a lasting friendship with Jimmy Pursey. |
Joy Division..
Peter Hook worshipped Hawkwind and cites Lemmy as his major influence...
Ian Curtis was responsible for introducing the band to Kraftwerk...
Barney Sumner loved David Bowie and also cites Phil Manzanera of Roxy Music as one of his influences...
Stephen Morris had many influences on his drumming, but the Jaki Leibeizeit influence is obvious...
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The list could go on and on - the big symphonic bands were not too popular among punks, but plenty of the more experimental prog acts were popular among the first wave of punk bands even if they didn't talk about it much in interviews - Zappa's more song based albums were popular, and Beefheart was almost as essential as the Velvet Underground. Henry Cow met future member of bands like the Buzzcocks and the Fall on their final UK tour.
Punk was more a reaction against the distancing of acts like The Who, The Roliing Stones, The Faces and The Kinks from their roots than it was against prog - despite what the hacks in the UK music press would have you believe.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Charles
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:16 |
Despite Johnny Rotten's imfamous "I hate Pink Floyd" shirt, he is not the prog hater that he potraited himself to be, while he could not get into Genesis (I read a quote that he listened to The Lamb and fell asleep) he really liked the disjointed non symphonic bands the most...
Kraut-rock bands usually have a lot in common with Punk bands...
Charles
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Charles
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:11 |
Syzygy wrote:
Johnny Rotten was a big fan of VDGG/Hammill, The Damned were major Soft Machine enthusiasts and Jello Biafra is into Magma. Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd were also popular with the early UK punks, and Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy tour attracted a bizarre punk/hippy audience, plus Steve Hillage jammed onstage with Sham 69 and formed a lasting friendship with Jimmy Pursey. |
Joy Division..
Peter Hook worshipped Hawkwind and cites Lemmy as his major influence...
Ian Curtis was responsible for introducing the band to Kraftwerk...
Barney Sumner loved David Bowie and also cites Phil Manzanera of Roxy Music as one of his influences...
Stephen Morris had many influences on his drumming, but the Jaki Leibeizeit influence is obvious...
Charles
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Empathy
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:09 |
It's a tossup between Tull and ELP. I had to go with Tull... Fragile
DT's right, folk is definitely not cool with the punks. Then again,
neither's classical...
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daghrastubfari
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:07 |
probably ELP, as they are the most pompous of them
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Hemispheres
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:03 |
Syzygy wrote:
Johnny Rotten was a big fan of VDGG/Hammill, The Damned were major Soft Machine enthusiasts and Jello Biafra is into Magma. Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd were also popular with the early UK punks, and Daevid Allen's Floating Anarchy tour attracted a bizarre punk/hippy audience, plus Steve Hillage jammed onstage with Sham 69 and formed a lasting friendship with Jimmy Pursey. |
Biafra like Magma i guess i can kind of see the influence thats pretty cool Dead Kennedys are one of my fav bands i also read that Steve Hillage was good friends with Joe Strummer.
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Zargus
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Posted: November 15 2005 at 15:00 |
With no doubt ELP and Yes, where the 2 most hated.
KC and VDGG where probobly 2 of the more respected, from what i have undrestod. but im no expert...
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