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Poll Question: Which do you prefer?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2005 at 08:43


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It's obviously fixed. The votes have gone up for CTTE by about 10 in the past
5 minutes (with 1 for Genesis.) Look at the people that commented saying
what they voted for. There seems to be a little bit more CTTE's but not by
much.[/QUOTE]

 There youīve said it all. That statistic is crucial . Forget about the result of this poll. If most people really prefered Close over Supperīs, the only thing left to think is that "Close" is for the masses and is more likable because it has those poppy and catchy-bubble gum choruses so you remember them even while you are washing your car...man ĄĄ, you can sing "I get up I get down" to your 1 year old baby and probably she or he will dance along with the chorus. Try doing the same with "Apocalypse" and the baby will start crying.

  Ok. Just a final thing, so this is not just an ironic text:

  It seems like saying "Close by far", "Close is the best prog song ever" gives much more credit to the argument than a fully explained reason about why "Close" would be better. When such comments are said over the years, 33 year to be precise, what you get is a dogma. Something you canīt argue about, itīs converted into a fact, just like a cience. And that is ridiculous.

 Iīll make a comparison between these two songs in terms of what I think, are the most important elements in music:

 Diversity:       Supperīs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Close

 Imagination:  Supperīs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Close

 Lyrics:           Supperīs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Close       (I get up I get down,I get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get downI get up I get down)

 Creativity (different and original textures, moods, shades, sounds ): 

                                       Supperīs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Close

 Voice and interpretation: Supperīs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Close

 Instrumentation: Supperīs <<<<< Close

 The number of "plus (>>>>)" marks are irrelevant. The differences are overwhelming.

Close sure has better instrumentation. However, I dare to say the complexity of their playing is more individual than the result of a team work. Every instrument is played impressively, but the interaction and the changing from theme to theme is more complex and more a team work in Supperīs.

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2005 at 07:04
love em both, but here goes, Suppers for me, however CTTE is still  being done live, or was recently, but no supper anymore
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2005 at 06:40

     Do you want to know my opinnion about which song is better?

     Aaah,shucks  !!    CTTE ofcourse

Frank Zappa,Pink Floyd,Yes,Genesis,Rush,King Crimson,Jethro Tull,E.L.P,Rick Wakeman -They have one similarity-    I Love Them all !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2005 at 05:46

close to the supper

 

supperman

supersupper

ready to close

supper at the edge

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2005 at 02:15
Come on! Supper's Ready by leaps and bounds. So much more to offer
than CttE. Have you Yes fans listened to the lyrics? (which are sung
poorly, like all Yes tunes)

'I get up, I get down. I get up, I get down. I get up, I get down.' ?
'A dew drop can exalt us like the music of the sun' ?

And CttE has no defense that it is far less diverse and more repetitive.
Some guy mentioned quite accurately that after a couple listens all one
remembers is the standard issue - albeit catchy - chorus.

All this said I do love both the songs.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:41
Both excellent examples of what was good and daring about music at that time- couldn't choose one over the other.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:35
I have always liked them both, but if I had to watch one song live for the rest of my life,( having seen both play live) I would have to say Closer To Tthe Edge, I love Yes Live more than Genesis Live, Plus I love to watch Wakeman,  But I love Genesis too this Poll is to hard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:23
Supper's Ready a lot better. Close... is ok, but I've never quite understood what's so special about it. Yes has plenty of better songs than that one. Supper's Ready is much more catchy, diverse, dramatic, surprising and elaborately structured.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:54
I like Supper's Ready better. I find it a little more diverse and a little less repetitive than CTTE, although I like both, of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:42

"Both are phenomenal songs... But "Supper's Ready" is the apex of progressive rock's side long suites... "Close To The Edge" is the virtuostic side long that groups like Rush and Dream Theather to name two which they could make...

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:34

Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

it "may" be fixed but if the masses prefer CTTE rather than SR then we have to face the facts.
im not saying its better although i prefer CTTE only because i heard it more times and apreciate it more.

If it is "fixed" then its not the masses prefering it, but a few individuals!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:32
Originally posted by chamberry chamberry wrote:

it "may" be fixed but if the masses prefer CTTE rather
than SR then we have to face the facts.
im not saying its better although i prefer CTTE only because i heard it more
times and apreciate it more.



It's obviously fixed. The votes have gone up for CTTE by about 10 in the past
5 minutes (with 1 for Genesis.) Look at the people that commented saying
what they voted for. There seems to be a little bit more CTTE's but not by
much.
One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:28
it "may" be fixed but if the masses prefer CTTE rather than SR then we have to face the facts.
im not saying its better although i prefer CTTE only because i heard it more times and apreciate it more.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:22
Originally posted by raindance raindance wrote:



This poll must be fixed or maybe you
can vote more than once? There's no way CTTE is beating Supper's Ready
this much. I agree with everything eduardossc said. CTTE is a great song
and a masterpiece IMO but "Supper's Ready" is (at least IMO) the best
composed song I've heard. There are so many different emotions and
musical parts that add color to the overall message of the song. Now
obviously people could disagree but with such a great margain?
Something's gotta be wrong here.[/QUOTE]


Whilst I agree Suppers Ready is a great song, I think it is too eclectic
and it does have some 'silly' musically and lyrically moments, especially
the middle part s ''an egg is an egg......'' ect !


I think that's probably why it's been trounced!

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The lyrics are never silly. They are written as images and are to be
interpreted. Gabriel is not singing the "There's winston churchill dressed
in drag...." for nothing. All of it has significance. As for Close to the Edge.
Supper's Ready is so far beyong CTTE lyrically that the two are
incomparable. And for the music of Willow Farm being silly... This is
intended as well. It is supposed to give a fake type nursery rhyme
atmosphere for how "real" society (or "willow farm") is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:20
Originally posted by raindance raindance wrote:






This poll must be fixed or maybe you can vote more than once? There's
no way CTTE is beating Supper's Ready this much. I agree with everything
eduardossc said. CTTE is a great song and a masterpiece IMO but
"Supper's Ready" is (at least IMO) the best composed song I've heard.
There are so many different emotions and musical parts that add color to
the overall message of the song. Now obviously people could disagree
but with such a great margain? Something's gotta be wrong here.[/QUOTE]

Whilst I agree Suppers Ready is a great song, I think it is too eclectic and it does have some 'silly' moments, both musically and lyrically, especially the middle parts ''an egg is an egg......'' ect ! It does get a bit too fragmented in certain parts whilst CTTE  beautiful melodies and virtuoso musicianship keeps your attention throughout

I think that's probably why it's been trounced!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:20
I am a fan of both bands as I have stated before, but Close to The Edge is one of those albums that`s perfection personified. One day, Ill work up a review when Im not so tired. `And You and I' is one of those tracks where the production holds up well to this day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:18

I think Suppers Ready is a lot more interesting and diverse, and has a lot more ideas. So, my vote goes to Supper's Ready.

Close to the Edge is good, but it gets too repetitive sometimes.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:14

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This poll must be fixed or maybe you can vote more than once? There's
no way CTTE is beating Supper's Ready this much. I agree with everything
eduardossc said. CTTE is a great song and a masterpiece IMO but
"Supper's Ready" is (at least IMO) the best composed song I've heard.
There are so many different emotions and musical parts that add color to
the overall message of the song. Now obviously people could disagree
but with such a great margain? Something's gotta be wrong here.[/QUOTE]

Whilst I agree Suppers Ready is a great song, I think it is too eclectic and it does have some 'silly' musically and lyrically moments, especially the middle part s ''an egg is an egg......'' ect !

I think that's probably why it's been trounced!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:12
CTTE, no question.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:10

^ I think it is fixed!!!! You CAN votre again if you log off and log in again and I believe that this is what is being done!

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