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Poll Question: Vote for three you like!
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And as a kind of follow-up of the previous poll, I saw Anthony Joseph live last Thursday and it was a wonderfully great concert (recommended to everyone who likes jazz-fusion; go see him). Awesome musicianship from all of them present: Jason Yarde on Saxophone, Rod Youngs on Drums, Andrew Johns on Bass, Thibaut Remy on Guitar and Denys Baptiste on Saxophone, and of course the voice and poetry of Anthony Joseph.
Rod Youngs, who also has played with Gil Scott Heron in the past, was particularly impressive all along, but especially on a piece of which I don't have the title and couldn't trace back yet on what is available on the internet. But, a track that somehow is a homage to the drums is "Language", talking about the origin of the world, residing in language and language "rooted deep in the resonance of the drum"...

"It is language which calls all things to creation
And language is the origin of the world
The word
Was the great mass of a black star exploding
It was the beat of a drum
The vibration of the body."

So, out of competition but I wanted to share this with you: Anthony Joseph - Language (Poem for Anthony McNeill):

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A next one from me: a drummer you probably all know, in a band that you might not know. Pat Mastelotto with his band Mastica.

Mastica - Muņecos De Palo:

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Here's something I think Greg (Logan) might post. I am digging the Ghost Power album. Some cool sounds.

I was between this one "Asteroid Witch" and "Panic in the Isles of Splendor".
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^^^
@George, indeed, over time we inevitably become part of each others "musical dna", that is each other's internet al-go-rithm's, esp. in this drum rhythm themed edition. LOL
I find my youtube recommendations rather poor, though. I think there is a way of improving their recommendations by resetting them, but I haven't dealt with it yet. I get most of my information from music magazines and certain record labels. Sometimes I find the internet rather confusing than helpful. But of course it is also an opportunity for artists to become known, even beyond national borders. The Swiss orchestra tours Europe and now even Canada. Thumbs Up



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Hi,

I'm not a great fan of drumming and have not been for about 40 years. In general, it has become too mechanical and boring to my ears, especially for someone that was reared in classical music, and not beat driven material. You don't listen to Mozart and count the beats. You don't listen to Stravinsky and count the beats, and in my book the drumming these days is all about elementary music, so the folks playing can stick together. were they listening to each other a drumbeat would not be necessary, but when you are playing and all you can "hear" is the beat, then you are not adding to the music and making it livelier and stronger all around.

I'm not sure I would vote for a lot of these things here, and I remember some nice moments ... 1) I don't do rhythm. I'm with the guitar! (Many!) 2) Drumming is for folks that don't know, or like music! (Pierre!) 3) If I worried about the drumming, I would throw everything off the stage at the start! (Moonie!) 4) I miss the freedom to add/subtract bits here and there! (Bruford) 5) Got to make it different every time! (Wyatt) ... and many other thoughts and ideas!

The whole mechanical thing is so commercial as to be sick and pathetic. I like music, and the beat is not enough, and in most cases, it is the worst part of it all, given by folks over infatuated with their ego, thinking that because they can count, it is drumming, or he/she can add that extra tick with their stick, makes it even better drumming! 

Sorry ... this thread is not for me, and I do have, yes, I do, a few names that I love to listen to in drumming, but sadly, almost all of the ones mentioned were not that great. AND, to much of it was just pop music, and not the real thing, though some pop music had great drumming.


Edited by moshkito - September 29 2022 at 07:54
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Not in the competition, but thought we should get it out of the way now. Big smile

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And here's a live version of one I've always liked.


Carl Palmer - Bullfrog




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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:

Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

I posted this on Greg's one YouTube video thread about a week and half ago. Fun track to listen to in part due to the drums and percussion.

Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp - So Many Things (To Feel Guilty About)

These guys are from Switzerland. How come you know them? Smile



I could say, "Through the magic of technology and the Internet" and that would not be far from the truth.

The truth being my streaming subscription to Amazon Music Unlimited and its weekly "My Discovery Mix" playlist. It's an playlist generated every Monday of 25 tracks that is based on some algorithm analyzing my listening habits.

One week, it had a track by Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp (a different one than what I posted) and it stood out, which lead to adding the entire album to my Amazon Music cloud, a Google search, and a trip to Bandcamp to purchase, though only a digital purchase was availble.

The generates playlist does seem to follow what I listen to, which could go from heavier psyche/stoner rock one week to more adventurous instrumental and ethnic music. It usually is made up of artists/tracks i had not heard of and does range back to tracks from the 60's and 70's, though the majority is from the past 10 years.

I also listen to music from the Interactive Polls on Amazon if available, so there are suggestions that seem to come from that. For instance, since Lorenzo's lesser known 70s prog poll, I get a few recommendations from the 60s or 70s that are prog or prog-related. This week's mix includes Irish Coffee (70s Belgian), Picchio del Pozzo (70s Italian), the Velvet Illusions (60s West Coast psychedelic), and Frabjoy & Runcible Spoon (60s pre-10cc Godley and Creme). Also this week, I got Mantra Machine, who I suggested in Greg's last poll but don't listen to on Amazon because I purchased on Bandcamp, and Returned to the Earth, one of the artists Nickie had in Nick's last poll.

So, I am stalked by Amazon apparently.
and I rambled on off topic in answering Mila's question.

Short answer: The magic of the Internet.
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One of the first artists that came to mind was the iconic Algerian percussionist Guem aka Abdelmajid Guemguem. I tend to bring more recent stuff, but I will make an exception this time because he sadly passed away last year. So this is a tribute to the grand master.

Guem & Zaka Percussion: Le Serpent (1978)



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Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

I posted this on Greg's one YouTube video thread about a week and half ago. Fun track to listen to in part due to the drums and percussion.

Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp - So Many Things (To Feel Guilty About)
These guys are from Switzerland. How come you know them? Smile
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I cant get enough Suzanne Vega, astonishing, her voice is sensational
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Great theme by the way! I definitely enjoy percussive sounds. The tracks I posted so far were ones I had saved in YouTube that I thought about for some past polls, so I was able to pull these out. I really could go on and on with this one. I will try to show some restraint.
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I saw these guys perform a few times in Vegas about 20 years ago. Fun stuff. An audio-visual experience. This is a good clip.

Blue Man Group - Drumbone
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Nice job there by Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp, but the camera operator apparently isn't a big fan of drums & percussion...


No doubt! The percussionists just got a quick pan through at the beginning. A shame too. Some great rhythms throughout.
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^That's what I suggested, things should remain flexible, depending on the number of participants. I mean, in case we end up with ten or even less people in total it would make sense to allow one more track per person. Otherwise the poll won't be interesting for the people who want to participate imo.



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Originally posted by Mila-13 Mila-13 wrote:


@ Christian, a great theme! I have had something similar in mind for I while now. I'm very much into rhythmic music. Thus it won't be easy for me to make a choice. What do you think, could we perhaps consider 2 songs per person, depending on the number of participants? We have been less than ten people in the last couple of editions.


I really wanted to do this old school so that participation is a piece of cake, I had the feeling that numbers went down partly because things became too complicated and people had to do more to participate. Of course that doesn't mean numbers will necessarily go up again and I may be wrong, but let's keep the rule at one per person for the moment, and if numbers are really low after the weekend we can talk about it. Making a choice is part of the game.
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Nice job there by Orchestre Tout Puissant Marcel Duchamp, but the camera operator apparently isn't a big fan of drums & percussion...
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@ Christian, a great theme! I have had something similar in mind for I while now. I'm very much into rhythmic music. Thus it won't be easy for me to make a choice. What do you think, could we perhaps consider 2 songs per person, depending on the number of participants? We have been less than ten people in the last couple of editions.



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Nice theme! Not much time now to look for things and listen, but more will follow this weekend, I think.
When I think of drummers and drumming I immediately think of this band. In a kind of extension of the previous poll I want to suggest a live track by this band whose name will be censored by the PA censor machine (which doesn't understand Dutch). The name just means "Butchery Van Kampen", a kind of a brand name for this band consisting of (most of the times) four drummers (sometimes more). I saw them live some 20 years ago and it was quite impressive, and I think it is more interesting to see them play then to just hear them. Not many good live tracks to be found on youtube, but here is a nice one:

sl*g.rij van Kampen - De trein (The Train):






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 Omar Hakin absolutely kills it near the end of this song.
 If you don't want to hear the whole thing pick it up around the 3:15 mark
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MY SELECTION, SECOND AND LAST PART.


3) Bruce Springsteen: when I propose one of his songs I try to choose them among those that highlight a particularity of his music often unknown to those who are not his fans, because Springsteen has many facets, a complex personality. For example, many of you do not know that Springsteen is one of the most profiled artists ever existed but until the 2000s he selected his publications so much that many of his best songs remained unpublished, often only present in the bootlegs of his concerts (some of these unpublished songs were gifts for other artists: the career of Patti Smith owes a lot to a certain Because the Night). One of these songs is Roulette, which had to be put on The River album, which was always unpublished and only put on the collection discs of the tracks never released. It is one of the most explosive Springsteen's rock and roll, both in the studio and in concert, with great work by Max Weinberg on the Drums. It talks about fear of nuclear power (in that year, 1979, Bruce had participated in Jackson Browne's No Nukes)



4) Surgery: AK. 
Wild rock and roll group, Surgery published two great albums, only to disband after the third (like Noiseworks). Their music is partly punk and partly original rock and roll, with a really coarse singer. Nothing calculated here, just wild energy.



3) Bruce Springsteen: ROULETTE






4) Surgery: A.K.
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