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Originally posted by gents gents wrote:

Reading all that I like more and more Waters and I think we need more people like that specially if someone is right. And I must tell you people that Waters is very right. And who doesn't see that as well, there is no hope for him. That's why he is not playing in Poland. Because of truth.....and thats what people are afraid of.....truth


The only time I have disagree with Ol'Rog in the XXIst C, is when he backed up the English fox hunts
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He's absolutely right about NATO being a toxic affair

But Putin is an idiot for having dived in head first in this blatant provocation.

Boycotting Poland and Hungary is about as sane and safe there is, despite the latter being +/- less on Russia's side (Orban is about as idiotic as Erdogan). Wish that a Polexit and Hungarexit be organized ASAP.



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And who knows which is which and who is who?

Rather appropriate in this context, methinks. Taken from Us and Them.
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Originally posted by gents gents wrote:

Reading all that I like more and more Waters and I think we need more people like that specially if someone is right. And I must tell you people that Waters is very right. And who doesn't see that as well, there is no hope for him. That's why he is not playing in Poland. Because of truth.....and thats what people are afraid of.....truth

He is not right, he is definitely left....and wealthy to boot. Wink “Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." - Marcus Aurelius)" .


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^ Someone who uses the word "truth" to vent an opinion can never be trusted.
The former USSR's main and only daily, PRAVDA seemingly still has an audience. FYI Pravda means Truth LOLEmbarrassed
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Originally posted by gents gents wrote:

Reading all that I like more and more Waters and I think we need more people like that specially if someone is right. And I must tell you people that Waters is very right. And who doesn't see that as well, there is no hope for him. That's why he is not playing in Poland. Because of truth.....and thats what people are afraid of.....truth

"And I must tell you people that Waters is very right".

Really?? If you can tell me HOW he's right, I'd be very interested to know.
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^ Someone who uses the word "truth" to vent an opinion can never be trusted.

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Reading all that I like more and more Waters and I think we need more people like that specially if someone is right. And I must tell you people that Waters is very right. And who doesn't see that as well, there is no hope for him. That's why he is not playing in Poland. Because of truth.....and thats what people are afraid of.....truth
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I love the ethics that Roger Waters has put into his craft as a musician - the fact that his musical inspiration has waned does not depend on his political views but on the fact that it is physiological as he ages.
 
I especially appreciate Waters' (and Brian Eno's) commitment to the BDS campaign against Israeli settlements. About Syria, Waters has, as always, quite right the criticisms to be made of the West, but probably, according to my information, he has underrated the Syrian and Russian crimes. And even in the case of this war against Ukraine, Waters, unsurprisingly, tends to focus on criticism of the West rather than criticism of Russia.


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I lost all respect for Roger Waters when he couldn't refrain from allowing his acerbic political and social viewpoints infiltrate his music. It destroyed Pink Floyd, at least for me, beginning with Animals.
Yeah, I've always preferred early Floyd, right up to Dark Side. The music is too stadium rock and dreary after that.
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Originally posted by wiz_d_kidd wiz_d_kidd wrote:

I lost all respect for Roger Waters when he couldn't refrain from allowing his acerbic political and social viewpoints infiltrate his music. It destroyed Pink Floyd, at least for me, beginning with Animals.

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Roger has the right to say it ... but he has become totally senseless when it comes to making sense and knowing what to say and where. His bit about Ukraine, is in a lot of ways not cool at all, and simply shows someone who is no longer in tune with the pulse of the world out there ... that his own politics are now somewhat sided with those of commercial dictators in search for mor money and loot ... and for this, I have not bought much of anything of his and the last was the disappointing CA IRA, which badly needed a guitar, and some better instrumentation, instead of the fake classical style and totally ... off the mark lyrics ... !

He fights for "freedom in one piece and then turns around in another! It just seems hypocritical to me, and completely out of touch!
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Roger Waters gigs in Poland cancelled amid Ukraine backlash - BBC News

Interesting. I am not a fan of censorship. No matter what we think of Waters, he has a right to his opinion and there is far too much cancelling of people because the establishment don't agree with certain views.

Having said all of that, my opinion on the matter is one of great shame. As a young man, Animals, The Wall, and The Final Cut were a huge influence on me, the former especially setting my personal political journey agenda for many years. Regrettably, I just feel that he has grown into an old tit, and this is regrettable.
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I lost all respect for Roger Waters when he couldn't refrain from allowing his acerbic political and social viewpoints infiltrate his music. It destroyed Pink Floyd, at least for me, beginning with Animals.
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Roger Waters gigs in Poland cancelled amid Ukraine backlash - BBC News
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