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The Anders
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Yes, you can pick your nominations now
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Cristi
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Is it time for final nominations?
I nominate Enrico Simonetti - Oceano.
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Mila-13
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I'll start here with the comments. I'll post one by one and hope to make it through until Sunday, at least with regard to those of you who made several suggestions.
Lorenzo Officina Zoè, Baba Sissoko, Mamani Keita, Sourakhata Dioubate: Being familiar with both, the Apulian/Salentine Pizzica Taranta and the music of Africa, here specifically the music of Malian griots, I was very excited about this collaboration. Voices and percussions play an essential role in both music cultures. So at second glance it is actually not surprising that two geographically so distant cultures are closer at heart than one would expect. Napoli Centrale: An interesting blend of 1970s jazz-rock and Neapolitan popular music including lyrics sung in Neapolitan dialect. Dissòi Lògoi: This piece is difficult to assign to a specific genre. It is a blend of jazz, prog, experimental and minimalist classical music. Despite the title "Delfini", I can't necessarily recognise elements of Mediterranean music culture, but imo that plays a subordinate role here because the album title "Different Traditions" definitely lives up to its promise. The mixing of different musical traditions reveals in fact Dissoi Logoi's stylistic signature. Moreover, Paolo Fresu is also on board for this project. I am particularly pleased to get to know his joy in experimenting. All three are interesting and original suggestions. They are different musical cocktails, so it is hard to say which one I like better. But I lean towards contemporary music. So, for me it's the third.Thanks a lot for your comments, Lorenzo, much appreciated! - The local string instrument played by the Cypriot group is a so called "tzouras" (turk. cura). It is related to the bouzouki but with a much smaller body, giving it a distinctive tone. Normally threre are three pairs of strings, like with the bouzouki. But there is also an eight string variety. - As for my Spanish choice, I actually had another relatively new Andaluzian psych rock band in mind but unfortunately it turned out that they were already listed in the archives. Kees Tarmac: I’m familiar with
the folk-rock band Louise Attaque but not with this duo. It is remarkable what
is musically possible with such a reduced acoustic instrumentation. This comes
together with beautiful vocals and poetic and socially committed lyrics. Debout sur le zink: Here too some folk-rock but with varied musical influences such as French traditional music, gypsy jazz, klezmer and maybe more combined with critical texts. It is a band with many members and a rich acoustic instrumentation. Orange Blossom: Here we
have a world music group that skillfully combines Arabic sounds with western electronic
beats. I attended one of their concerts some years ago. Basically, I tend to
listen to more contemporary music which speaks in favour of Orange Blossom. But
I also like the simplicity of Tarmac which has its very own charm, including certain characteristics of the timeless French chanson. Thank you too for your kind feedback! I'm not quite sure what I'm going to nominate. In any case I'm interested in contributing to musical diversity. I'll wait and see what the others choose. It would be great if we could nominate two songs each because there are only ten of us. Then again some people have only made one suggestion so far. Anders Iness Mezel: There are numerous French and Belgian musicians with roots in the Maghreb region and the Middle East who bring together the musical styles of both cultures. But Iness Mazel clearly stands out here. In this recording you can hear besides the sounds of Algerian Berber music influences of western blues and rock which is rare and rather unusual for a female artist. - I learned from an article that this album was produced by Justin Adams who added to the African blues and rock influences with his guitar and other string instruments. Adams has collaborated with various big names such as Robert Plant and Brian Eno among others and has worked as a producer for the desert blues group Tinariwen and other musicians from African and Arabic traditions. Nadah El Shazly: I would classify the work of this Egyptian artist as electronic avant-garde. Here too, we have a fusion with traditional oriental sounds and traditional acoustic instruments, but it is a very contemporary, rather experimental approach. I personally am very interested in contemporary and experimental music. However, this one requires repeated listening.
Iness Mezel’s music is more accessible but no less interesting. Her
music is emotional and a pleasure to listen to while Nadah El Shazly is more on
the intellectual, experimental side. Even though I’m familiar with Iness' work I would suggest in
the context of this poll to go with her. Christian Patrizio Fariselli: Here we have folk music of various origins i.a. oriental, and electronica with jazz and rock influences. A very complex and interesting composition. Obviously Fariselli is a big name and is esp. appreciated by prog music connoisseurs. Although I do recognise the artistic abilities of Fariselli, I must say
that for me there are a little too many different musical styles involved in this
composition. Somehow, it doesn't really convince me. Edited by Mila-13 - May 22 2022 at 16:43 |
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Lewian
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Thanks a lot for the playlist!
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jamesbaldwin
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Mini reviews:
Logan - Stringtonics: almost ambient instrumental piece that improves in the finale (at first it sounds like Morricone, doesn't it, Greg?) Meltdowner - J. Bibiloni: I don't know this musician (Italian surname?), who offers us a long ambient instrumental piece that grows in rhythm with the passage of time. So far two atmospheric pieces that I would call interlocutors. Me - 1) Taranta Nera, directly from the Notte della Taranta, a musical event from Salento, Puglia, which takes place every summer, where the ethnic dances are danced, here is a group that combines ethnic Apulian music (the Taranta dance) with music African ethnic. 2) Napoli Centrale, which I knew only by name, I discovered to be considered one of the most original Italian prog groups together with Perigeo by Italian music critics, especially if they love jazz. Dear prog lovers, if you want to learn more I recommend Napoli centrale and Perigeo, which have uniquely combined Miles Davis' jazz-rock with Neapolitan music (and therefore Mediterranean, tribal, ethnic, folk). 3) Dissòi Logòi, of which I already proposed a piece a year ago, as suitkees rightly remembers, are a trio made up of percussionist, pianist and bassist / guitarist, who engage in indefinable syncretic music that ranges from jazz to avant-garde, from folk / ethnic to new age, collaborating with musicians of all kinds, and this piece proves it, to me it seems Mediterranean especially in the faster part, where there are also Indian tablas (piano, percussion, drums, sounds of objects, tablas, electric guitar, bass, violin). Mila - 1) Monsieur Doumani: interesting arrangement based on the trombone and on a string instrument that I do not know, with a sound similar to the mandolin. Cypriot song filmed in ancient theater 2) Dahfer Youssef is instead Tunisian and puts together clarinet, gironde (I think) and another string instrument, more cello, here we are more in the jazz field - another very beautiful song with a very original sound 3) Derby Motoreta is instead Spanish and you can see it from the passionate, the very macho baritone voice, the pumped melody, of the three is the most melodic and commercial piece, with moments halfway between the bombastic and the epic. Final with prog style change of pace. Three very, very original pieces, among the three I prefer the second. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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jamesbaldwin
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Oh yeah, wonderful work! |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Mila-13
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These are the suggested songs so far. 20 songs - 10 participants. In case you want to listen to the songs now or later and maybe even comment on them. The songs of the individual participants follow one after the other in groups.- Btw. I picked a different song from my Cypriot band. Edited by Mila-13 - May 19 2022 at 18:17 |
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What a sad day! The legendary Greek composer Vangelis has passed away today due to covid. RIP grand master.
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The guy who made the video for the Black Cat White Cat theme made an error. The composer of that soundtrack is not Bregovich as many wrongly assume. It is offically composed by the Black Cat White Cat Orchestra. But in fact it is a pseudonym for the No Smoking Orchestra that was then searching for a new name since the separation with the old members was still fresh. The original No Smoking band was founded in Sarajevo in the early 1980s. They did garage/punk rock, sometimes with reference to Bosnian folk music. That's why this soundtrack is more rocking than those by Bregovich, even though he too is originally a rock musician. Kusturica has toured a lot with the No Smoking Orchestra. He always started their concerts with the famous Bogart quote from Casablanca: "I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship". Edited by Mila-13 - May 19 2022 at 18:24 |
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Lewian
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This version or another one as already pointed out by Lorenzo? It seems I'm getting old.
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The Anders
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Thank you Kees for the comment :) Here's a
second suggestion from me, and it will probably be between the two.
Nadah el Shazly is an Egyptian musician which I discovered a couple of
years ago. The song is called "Mahmiya". |
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Cristi
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My take on the suggestions put up so far...: Greg (Logan): Nice soothing Greekish track by Stringtronics. The Mediterranian touch is especially brought in through the guitar (and some spare castanets...). This is a kind of "Sunset at the Beach" music. Too short, though. Samuel (Meltdowner): Didn't know Joan Bibiloni. Another soothing track, but more jazzy. Here I imagine myself in a hammock between two palm trees on a Catalan beach, sipping a cocktail (although I'm not fan of cocktails...). This is a nice synth dominated atmospheric track. Lorenzo (jamesbaldwin): Officina Zoè, Baba Sissoko, Mamani Keita and Sourakhata Dioubate bring us with Santu Paulu a more African tinged track. Starting off with a gentle percussion this becomes more and more energetic and when the violin and bandoneon set in we're definitely on Mediterranean shores. It creates a kind of African guinguette festive atmosphere (someone said "fusion"?). Yes we dance! With Napoli Centrale we are in proggy territories, mixing jazz rock, rock, and some folk elements. Didn't know them (I think), but I like what I hear. You've been presenting us Dissòi Logòi before and I already liked it then. This one is piano dominated, with some Fripp-like guitar playing. Very jazzy at the beginning, before a more contemporary music style takes over, then mixing both into something really wonderful. Very original; this definitely is my preferred one. Mila: Monsieur Doumani proposes us an interesting instrumentation with the electric saz and the trombone. To my ears this is a very contemporary kind of psych-folk-rock with a distinct Eastern Mediterranean flavor. Very nice. Dhafer Youssef is indeed more well known, but always good to hear, mixing traditional instruments (oud, qanun, clarinette...) in contemporary jazz rock. Great track! Never heard of Derby Motoreta’s Burrito Kachimba, but this immediately captivates me: a wonderful voice and singing style mixed here with some trance inducing (hard) rock/metal. A very good surprise, this one! Christian (Lewian): Oh, you copy-cat... Ederlezi has been suggested not that long ago. I love it (and the film). And I generally like the music of Goran Bregovic, thus also Black Cat White Cat (and the film!). His Balkan rock is very captivating. I Didn't know of Patrizio Fariselli's solo outing, a jazzy, folky, Eastern mix with a very contemporary (rock) feel to it. Wonderful vocalizations. I really like this one! suitkees: You do know that France is not the center of the world, do you? Pekka (Hiram): Ah, ah, a Black Sabbath classic reworked by Zu and Eugene Chadbourne, adding a bit more madness to it. But it remains a classic! Interesting! Anders: Oh yes, I like this. I remember having heard a track by Iness Mezel on the radio, but I should have paid more attention. I really dig this mix of rock and african rhythms and love her singing style. Great one! Cristi: New Trolls with a real adagio, but in a symphonic prog sauce. Nice, but to my liking maybe a bit too timid in mixing rock and classical, this one. With Enrico Simonetti we are in soundtrack territory - a very beautiful track this one, mixing classic with rock and a touch of jazz. I prefer this one over the Trolls. Greg (The Dark Elf): Thank you for this historical take on this indeed very famous track, Miserlou, here by Dick Dale & The Del Tones. Great all time classic! Easy to imagine this originated, for him, on an oud, maybe less obvious that it became a classic rock&roll tune... |
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Ah, the topic gives me the opportunity for the first time to play something from Patrizio Fariselli's (keyboarder of Area) delightful album 100 Ghosts. Should be on PA but isn't. Here is "Iqbal". |
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Mila-13
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@Lorenzo - I think this is medieval Gothic architecture which is rather rare in Greece. It certainly has a particular historical background but that dates back much longer. Maybe the fascists used this castle/fortress as a headquarter or something like that. But thanks for the info about Guns of Navarone. I watched that movie, but wasn't aware that it was shot on Rhodes Island. As for "Mediterraneo", it is a rather controversial film, against the historic background of the atrocities commited against the Greek population during ww2.
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An Andalusian rock band, formed in Seville in 2017, with varied influences such as flamenco, psychedelic rock, progeressive rock and stoner rock. The song is from their debut, selftitled album which was released in 2019. The lyrics are based on a poem by Federico Garcia Lorca. This song has been performed before by Camaron de la Isla, considered by many the best contemporary flamenco singer ever. He passed away in 1992 at the age of just 41. p.s. Anders, this too will be added to my first post on page 1. Edited by Mila-13 - May 17 2022 at 14:48 |
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In fact, as we know, that group of men went to the island of Castelrosso (in Greek: Megisti), a very small island in the Dodecanese to fight the war of the fascist regime against England. In the Dodecanese there are still many buildings from the Fascist era, and I discovered by going to the island of Rhodes that the inhabitants still speak Italian. At this point I take the opportunity for a curiosity, in the American film The guns of Navarone (Gregory Peck, David Niven, Anthony Quinn), set on an invented island of the Dodecanese, you can see some buildings of Rhodes, where much of the film was shot. On the island of Rhodes, Anthony Quinn bought a beach, which he discovered while acting in the film, and today it still exists, named with his name, even if it is no longer managed by family members: I have been there, small but beautiful. Palace of the Grand Master of the Knights of Rhodes, built during the fascist domination, clearly visible in the film The Guns of Navarone. Edited by jamesbaldwin - May 16 2022 at 10:33 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Dick Dale (formerly Richard Monsour) was Lebanese on his father's side of the family. His uncle taught him how to play the tarabaki and oud. It is from his uncle playing on the one-string oud that Dale derived the electric version of the Eastern Mediterranean folk song "Miserlou" (popular from the 1920s onward among Turkish, Greek, Jewish and Arabic musicians), which Dale renamed "Misirlou".
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
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First song i thought of, tell me if it's not a good fit.
second song i thought of Edited by Cristi - May 15 2022 at 11:30 |
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I definitely agree with the smoking vs weapons thing. I'm not so sure, though whether the intended message of that film comes across that way. These soldiers did not land in that Greek village by chance, in the fateful year of 1941. But the music is great. I wasn't aware that Giancarlo Bigazzi wrote the soundtrack. :)
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