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Why Isn't Chicago (the band) Considered Prog? |
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Guldbamsen 
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Chicago is widely known for their hits. Genesis are widely known for their hits. To most anyone outside of places like this, prog is not a thing, and both of these acts are considered ‘artpop’.
Why is Prokofiev not considered prog? 
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moshkito
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 03:47 |
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Hi, The weird part of it all, is that if we look at a lot of Europe, and then Africa, and then Latin America, then South America, then Japan and the Far East ... there are a lot of bands that could be considered "prog" or "progressive", with one exception ... that the worst definition EVER of anything, states that it all has to SOUND LIKE or BE LIKE the top three or four that were crowned the best of these molds. The result? We stopped listening to music, and instead are always looking for something that is SIMILAR to those old buffoons (theses days, anyway!) ... instead of appreciating the very differences and really fine pieces of work out there that are completely ignored. You know what it is like? .... I'm bringing McDonald's and force you to eat burger and fries. ... we gonna loot and steal all the gold and resources so our upper class can get richer and keep the rest subservient while making sure that the royalty never go poop and are always so neat and far out and colorful, when they have some of the darkest history EVER in anything ... and you are going to BELIEVE that their media is right, of course. Here, on PA, I think that many of the folks that made decisions, did it with a lot better thinking and ideas, than otherwise. That CHICAGO does not get the attention that it deserves, is NOT THEIR FAULT, but the result of a generation of fans that is so commercially attuned, that finding something different is stupid and not enjoyed or appreciated. WHICH IS BIZARRE and CRAZY when it comes to the arts. England, and all of Europe, had magnificent, FILM, THEATER, WRITING, and other arts ... except one. ROCK MUSIC that will FOREVER, be banned by a commercially minded group of fans, that don't listen to music anyway ... they will forget many of these bands later and then say ... I was just young and didn't care! We either stand for the art ... or we don't. The classification of it is not even necessary ... but we need to believe in our "children" and their "children" ... or we will all die alone and forgotten, because we were the mememe generation that did not give a chit!
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 02:53 |
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 02:51 |
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Didn't really matter so much initially because someone had to
decide if they should be here at all, which is of course the main job of
the teams. Heavy Prog seemed a reasonable place to start. When the
band was rejected by us, no other team said "Hey we'll take those guys" so
admin took on the task and a reasonable compromise was made. As you know , ProgRelated [and ProtoProg] is not a progressive rock
category, it is an historic & musicologic reference source.
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 02:46 |
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Ah yes, the Prog Related, that disorganised rabble of illigitimate ne'er-do-wells. They are way to far removed to ever get near the crown even if they are allowed entrance to the throne room.
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That's kinda wild to me. I'm curious as why they were considered for heavy prog, when the jazz fusion category seems so much more applicable to their early work  Also, while I'm satisfied with Journey being prog-related because of their overall discog, I do think their debut is a full-on prog record
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 02:25 |
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Not to belabor it, but as an example, when Heavy Prog was in its infancy we had to decide if Journey should be included in the PA database as a prog rock band, and if so whether they should be considered HP. We concluded that though Journey had released several albums that contained some progressive rock and rock-fusion material, they had never released an album that could be considered a prog rock release. So we rejected them and Admin voted them into Prog Related. Edited by Atavachron - April 14 2022 at 02:30 |
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 02:08 |
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It is, and I suspect many may not have seen the humour. Here’s to prog that is “complete”! 🍻 |
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Isn't it ? Also happens to be true, it's just rare and we haven't had to do that in a long time. |
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 01:56 |
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 And also a subgenre called "true prog".
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I'm so tired of having to check out all these so-called prog bands that sound nothing like Suppers Ready or Close to the Edge - we need a Completely Prog Sub-Genre!
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 01:32 |
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I don't think the question asked in the thread title is the right one, because here on PA they are considered prog, otherwise they would not have been here.
Maybe the question is why aren't they more popular or more talked about here on PA and maybe elsewhere? |
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Posted: April 14 2022 at 01:28 |
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😄 That is quite possibly the funniest thing I have ever read in the many years I’ve been reading this forum. 👏🏻👏🏻 |
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Brass Rock at it’s finest methinks.
Prog is just a sticker…perhaps one you can slap onto their first couple of outings. Who cares anyway? The music remains the same. |
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It's a starting place by which a given team or admins can vote on inclusion. |
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Posted: April 13 2022 at 23:38 |
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So Bad Religion is in? 🤪 But seriously, what the heck is “completely prog”? People on this forum can’t even agree where the borders of what is or is not prog are, let alone what prog itself might be. You really think there is something that could be agreed by all to be “completely prog”? 😄🤪🤪🤪 |
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Posted: April 13 2022 at 22:39 |
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I always liked their first two albums, and hold them in quite high, but later, they lost that inventiveness, and went totally main stream, like Queen, Genesis, and many other bands.
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Posted: April 13 2022 at 20:29 |
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Chicago are definitely prog.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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Posted: April 13 2022 at 20:21 |
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As usual it's hard to say what constitutes a "completely prog" album. I would say Joe Walsh should be included in proto prog, particularly for his work with the James Gang, Barnstorm and his first two "solo" albums, "The Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get" and "So What" (especially Barnstorm), but that just ain't gonna happen and is even less likely to happen because of his association with the Eagles.
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^ I like horses. Technically if any band released one completely prog album, they must be added. |
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