The Savage rose is missing on the list

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   ^ I have no idea (scratch that, probably the period and music that was deemed most relevant -- early period would have been considered for sure). I wasn't part of the PR team so I don't have the PMs presenting the case for Prog Related, nor do I know the band well.  Crossover likely based it in on what was presented in the 2012 suggestion thread, and maybe more music, and then thought it better for Prog Related.  Psych checked it before that and was unsure/ not convinced.

PR works differently than other categories.  The arguments are considered important, and that a case is presented that ticks as many of the Prog Related criteria boxes as possible.  If compelling arguments (well-researched, logical and thorough) were not presented, than that likely would have had an effect.

By the way, the Crossover team would sometimes remove entries from their list once they decided it was not for them (I just read about this when doing a topic search for Savage Rose in their thread, if I read it properly).  They were the ones who checked it then passed it on to PR for evaluation as they thought that would be more suitable.  So just because they don't have a ProgFreak entry doesn't mean they didn't check something.  Other teams who regularly use it have been inconsistent in its use (use it at some times and not others, often depends on the period.  With Eclectic we used it then later made our own charts, since it was just to help keep us organised really, rather than to help others follow an evaluation. Not sure what they do now).

Edited by Logan - July 07 2021 at 19:11

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Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37595	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2021 at 18:33
	^ I have no idea (scratch that, probably the period and music that was deemed most relevant -- early period would have been considered for sure). I wasn't part of the PR team so I don't have the PMs presenting the case for Prog Related, nor do I know the band well. Crossover likely based it in on what was presented in the 2012 suggestion thread, and maybe more music, and then thought it better for Prog Related. Psych checked it before that and was unsure/ not convinced. PR works differently than other categories. The arguments are considered important, and that a case is presented that ticks as many of the Prog Related criteria boxes as possible. If compelling arguments (well-researched, logical and thorough) were not presented, than that likely would have had an effect. By the way, the Crossover team would sometimes remove entries from their list once they decided it was not for them (I just read about this when doing a topic search for Savage Rose in their thread, if I read it properly). They were the ones who checked it then passed it on to PR for evaluation as they thought that would be more suitable. So just because they don't have a ProgFreak entry doesn't mean they didn't check something. Other teams who regularly use it have been inconsistent in its use (use it at some times and not others, often depends on the period. With Eclectic we used it then later made our own charts, since it was just to help keep us organised really, rather than to help others follow an evaluation. Not sure what they do now). Edited by Logan - July 07 2021 at 19:11

The Anders Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535	Post Options Post Reply Quote The Anders Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2021 at 18:27
	^ But based on what period? Their early rock/pop/jazz/classical/psychedelic fusion from 1968 to 1972, the "Balkan" period (1978-1990) or their later soul-influenced music?

Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37595	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2021 at 18:23
	Savage Rose was checked by Crossover and then submitted to the Admin Team for Prog Related. It wasn't really flat out rejected for all time as I read it, but it was felt to be a weak case (not a strong enough case had been made) and not to fit the Prog Related criteria well enough. Basically it was rejected unless a really compelling case is ever made for it. It was deemed not Prog enough for a Prog category and not a strong case for Prog Related. Edited by Logan - July 07 2021 at 18:26

yam yam Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Crossover Team Joined: June 16 2011 Location: Kerberos Status: Online Points: 7255	Post Options Post Reply Quote yam yam Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2021 at 18:05
	^ I think Michael means that they aren't on the site, and he thinks that they should be. There have been two suggestions for the band's inclusion already, both of which were somewhat inconclusive regarding whether or not their music was prog enough to be included here. This thread was the most recent (April 2012), and includes a link back to the previous one from January 2009, posted in the later thread by my good self as the second reply on page 1. Scott (Evolver) added the band to progfreak in readiness for an evaluation in Crossover back in 2012, but it never actually happened. Savage Rose were discussed in the Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation part of the forum back in January 2019 too, where it was mentioned by the original poster (The Anders) towards the end of the thread that "from what I understand, they have been suggested before, but it was turned down". That's actually not correct, since no evaluation in Crossover was ever initiated. Maybe current admins could move this thread to Suggest New Bands and Artists, so that the matter can finally be put to bed?

Easy Money Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10692	Post Options Post Reply Quote Easy Money Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2021 at 12:53
	What is the list you are referring to?

ToZn86 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: December 10 2020 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 2	Post Options Post Reply Quote ToZn86 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: July 07 2021 at 12:18
	My favorite band Savage Rose is missing on the list, taste it: The Savage Rose - A Girl I Knew - YouTube Edited by ToZn86 - July 07 2021 at 12:19