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When the Levee Breaks sounds more like delay than gating to me.
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Oh for crying out loud. Listen to the song you guys before saying it wasn't gated reverb. I'm referring to the Tubes. 


I thought we had already agreed to disagree, so I have no need to listen. I might well hear something that sounds like gated reverb - but that doesn’t mean it is gated reverb. I think that is the problem - as I’ve already stated in a previous comment. Because you can hear something that sounds similar, you are confusing it for the same thing.
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Oh for crying out loud. Listen to the damn song you guys before saying it wasn't gated reverb. I'm referring to the Tubes. 

John Bonham and recording engineer Andy Johns invented gated reverb on "When the Levee Breaks". All he needed was setting up his drums at the bottom of a staircase at the Headley Grange estate, two Beyerdynamic M160 microphones and several cases of beer. LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL
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Oh for crying out loud. Listen to the song you guys before saying it wasn't gated reverb. I'm referring to the Tubes. 



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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Peter Gabriel three was actually not the first use of the gated drums but one of the earlier examples. David Bowie and the Tubes used it before him. Also, if Nick Mason's drumming on the opening track on the wall wasn't actually gated reverb then it must be pretty close to it. PC was the first to perfect this technique though and popularize it.

Actually, you are incorrect. Gated Reverb was discovered during the PG3 session....



PG 3 was not the very first use of gated reverb but if you want to think that you can. Just don't forget to tell Prarie Prince of the Tubes(from the first album from 1975). Starting at the 43 second mark on the track "mondo bondage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nibDtxm4u4g If that's not gated reverb then nothing is. True, it only lasts  a few seconds but it's still one of the first uses of gated reverb.  I'm not sure why wikipedia and some of the other websites decided to ignore this not to mention David Bowie(on low) from 1977 and Allan Holdsworth's velvet darkness (76). PG/PC certainly popularized it though. There's no doubt about that. Listen to those examples(all are on youtube) before you keep arguing with me about it though. 

https://www.facebook.com/Pugadista/posts/gated-reverbgated-reverb-is-an-audio-processing-technique-that-is-applied-to-rec/138989626245322/

To quote yourself “if you want to think that you can”. I don’t know the other albums you cite, but I suspect you are just hearing/recognising effects that sound similar to gated reverb. It’s pretty much understood and agreed that gated reverb was something that came out of experimentation during the recording of a Peter Gabriel album.

That you use Bowie’s Low as an example of gated reverb is evidence that you are only hearing something that sounds like gated reverb, and assuming it to be that. There was no gated reverb on Low, so what you are hearing is probably the Eventide H910 Harmonizer. Tony Visconti has gone over the making of this album enough times, and I’ve not heard him speak of gated reverb once. But that snappy snare sound you hear is definitely the Eventide. And Visconti should know, because as Bowie himself stressed: “The actual sound and texture, the feel of everything from the drums to the way that my voice is recorded, is Tony Visconti”.

There is no indication that gated reverb was used by the Tubes or Bowie (except for that one guy on Facebook you mentioned who has no recording engineer info to back it up). Quite simply, Hugh Padgham was using a brand new recording console (unavailable to either Bowie or the Tubes at the time of their sessions 4-5 years previously) that featured a mic in studio that allowed for conversation with the recording booth. Phil's drums got picked up on the mic (a mic with a very specific heavy compressor).... and the rest is history:
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Peter Gabriel three was actually not the first use of the gated drums but one of the earlier examples. David Bowie and the Tubes used it before him. Also, if Nick Mason's drumming on the opening track on the wall wasn't actually gated reverb then it must be pretty close to it. PC was the first to perfect this technique though and popularize it.

Actually, you are incorrect. Gated Reverb was discovered during the PG3 session....



PG 3 was not the very first use of gated reverb but if you want to think that you can. Just don't forget to tell Prarie Prince of the Tubes(from the first album from 1975). Starting at the 43 second mark on the track "mondo bondage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nibDtxm4u4g If that's not gated reverb then nothing is. True, it only lasts  a few seconds but it's still one of the first uses of gated reverb.  I'm not sure why wikipedia and some of the other websites decided to ignore this not to mention David Bowie(on low) from 1977 and Allan Holdsworth's velvet darkness (76). PG/PC certainly popularized it though. There's no doubt about that. Listen to those examples(all are on youtube) before you keep arguing with me about it though. 

https://www.facebook.com/Pugadista/posts/gated-reverbgated-reverb-is-an-audio-processing-technique-that-is-applied-to-rec/138989626245322/

To quote yourself “if you want to think that you can”. I don’t know the other albums you cite, but I suspect you are just hearing/recognising effects that sound similar to gated reverb. It’s pretty much understood and agreed that gated reverb was something that came out of experimentation during the recording of a Peter Gabriel album.

That you use Bowie’s Low as an example of gated reverb is evidence that you are only hearing something that sounds like gated reverb, and assuming it to be that. There was no gated reverb on Low, so what you are hearing is probably the Eventide H910 Harmonizer. Tony Visconti has gone over the making of this album enough times, and I’ve not heard him speak of gated reverb once. But that snappy snare sound you hear is definitely the Eventide. And Visconti should know, because as Bowie himself stressed: “The actual sound and texture, the feel of everything from the drums to the way that my voice is recorded, is Tony Visconti”.


No, I don't think so. I was finally about to get those links highlighted so go to that fb page and listen to those songs. The artists maybe didn't know what they were doing at the time and maybe didn't set out to do gated reverb(apparently neither did PG)but that's what they are. If I accidentally discovered a continent(or a planet) I still discovered it. 



That link has nothing to back up its claims. Find me something to back them up, and I might believe you, but in the meantime if that’s your “evidence”, it’s laughable. It also contradicts itself, because the technique it describes is not used by at least one of the example it quotes. Again, you can go to the horse’s mouth and hear or read Tony Visconti go into detail about how every sound and effect on Low was made. There is no gated reverb on that album. Not by the definition most people would understand the term, and not even by the definition that this Facebook post gives. So, again, “if you want to think that you can”.


I revised my post just before you posted this. Right. I'll think what I want and you think what you want. We can agree to disagree. 

Just let me know when you listen to that Tubes song. From the article: "Perhaps the earliest known use of the gated snare drum technique was on the recording Mondo Bondage (first verse only) from the 1975 self-titled debut album of the San Francisco rock band The Tubes. The drums were played by Prairie Prince. Recording produced by Al Kooper and engineered by Lee Rhett Keifer."


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Peter Gabriel three was actually not the first use of the gated drums but one of the earlier examples. David Bowie and the Tubes used it before him. Also, if Nick Mason's drumming on the opening track on the wall wasn't actually gated reverb then it must be pretty close to it. PC was the first to perfect this technique though and popularize it.

Actually, you are incorrect. Gated Reverb was discovered during the PG3 session....



PG 3 was not the very first use of gated reverb but if you want to think that you can. Just don't forget to tell Prarie Prince of the Tubes(from the first album from 1975). Starting at the 43 second mark on the track "mondo bondage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nibDtxm4u4g If that's not gated reverb then nothing is. True, it only lasts  a few seconds but it's still one of the first uses of gated reverb.  I'm not sure why wikipedia and some of the other websites decided to ignore this not to mention David Bowie(on low) from 1977 and Allan Holdsworth's velvet darkness (76). PG/PC certainly popularized it though. There's no doubt about that. Listen to those examples(all are on youtube) before you keep arguing with me about it though. 

https://www.facebook.com/Pugadista/posts/gated-reverbgated-reverb-is-an-audio-processing-technique-that-is-applied-to-rec/138989626245322/

To quote yourself “if you want to think that you can”. I don’t know the other albums you cite, but I suspect you are just hearing/recognising effects that sound similar to gated reverb. It’s pretty much understood and agreed that gated reverb was something that came out of experimentation during the recording of a Peter Gabriel album.

That you use Bowie’s Low as an example of gated reverb is evidence that you are only hearing something that sounds like gated reverb, and assuming it to be that. There was no gated reverb on Low, so what you are hearing is probably the Eventide H910 Harmonizer. Tony Visconti has gone over the making of this album enough times, and I’ve not heard him speak of gated reverb once. But that snappy snare sound you hear is definitely the Eventide. And Visconti should know, because as Bowie himself stressed: “The actual sound and texture, the feel of everything from the drums to the way that my voice is recorded, is Tony Visconti”.


No, I don't think so. I was finally about to get those links highlighted so go to that fb page and listen to those songs. The artists maybe didn't know what they were doing at the time and maybe didn't set out to do gated reverb(apparently neither did PG)but that's what they are. If I accidentally discovered a continent(or a planet) I still discovered it. 



That link has nothing to back up its claims. Find me something to back them up, and I might believe you, but in the meantime if that’s your “evidence”, it’s laughable. It also contradicts itself, because the technique it describes is not used by at least one of the example it quotes. Again, you can go to the horse’s mouth and hear or read Tony Visconti go into detail about how every sound and effect on Low was made. There is no gated reverb on that album. Not by the definition most people would understand the term, and not even by the definition that this Facebook post gives. So, again, “if you want to think that you can”.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Peter Gabriel three was actually not the first use of the gated drums but one of the earlier examples. David Bowie and the Tubes used it before him. Also, if Nick Mason's drumming on the opening track on the wall wasn't actually gated reverb then it must be pretty close to it. PC was the first to perfect this technique though and popularize it.

Actually, you are incorrect. Gated Reverb was discovered during the PG3 session....



PG 3 was not the very first use of gated reverb but if you want to think that you can. Just don't forget to tell Prarie Prince of the Tubes(from the first album from 1975). Starting at the 43 second mark on the track "mondo bondage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nibDtxm4u4g If that's not gated reverb then nothing is. True, it only lasts  a few seconds but it's still one of the first uses of gated reverb.  I'm not sure why wikipedia and some of the other websites decided to ignore this not to mention David Bowie(on low) from 1977 and Allan Holdsworth's velvet darkness (76). PG/PC certainly popularized it though. There's no doubt about that. Listen to those examples(all are on youtube) before you keep arguing with me about it though. 

https://www.facebook.com/Pugadista/posts/gated-reverbgated-reverb-is-an-audio-processing-technique-that-is-applied-to-rec/138989626245322/

To quote yourself “if you want to think that you can”. I don’t know the other albums you cite, but I suspect you are just hearing/recognising effects that sound similar to gated reverb. It’s pretty much understood and agreed that gated reverb was something that came out of experimentation during the recording of a Peter Gabriel album.

That you use Bowie’s Low as an example of gated reverb is evidence that you are only hearing something that sounds like gated reverb, and assuming it to be that. There was no gated reverb on Low, so what you are hearing is probably the Eventide H910 Harmonizer. Tony Visconti has gone over the making of this album enough times, and I’ve not heard him speak of gated reverb once. But that snappy snare sound you hear is definitely the Eventide. And Visconti should know, because as Bowie himself stressed: “The actual sound and texture, the feel of everything from the drums to the way that my voice is recorded, is Tony Visconti”.


No, I don't think so. I was finally about to get those links highlighted so go to that fb page and listen to those songs. The artists maybe didn't know what they were doing at the time and maybe didn't set out to do gated reverb(apparently neither did PG)but that's what they are. If I accidentally discovered a continent(or a planet) I still discovered it. 


Anyway, I've read read these things before so it's not like I'm making it up myself.  Anyway, maybe the Bowie wasn't. Now all you have to do is prove the Tubes and Holdsworth wasn't. ;) Do a search for the Tubes Mondo Bondage gated reverb and see what happens.


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Peter Gabriel three was actually not the first use of the gated drums but one of the earlier examples. David Bowie and the Tubes used it before him. Also, if Nick Mason's drumming on the opening track on the wall wasn't actually gated reverb then it must be pretty close to it. PC was the first to perfect this technique though and popularize it.

Actually, you are incorrect. Gated Reverb was discovered during the PG3 session....



PG 3 was not the very first use of gated reverb but if you want to think that you can. Just don't forget to tell Prarie Prince of the Tubes(from the first album from 1975). Starting at the 43 second mark on the track "mondo bondage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nibDtxm4u4g If that's not gated reverb then nothing is. True, it only lasts  a few seconds but it's still one of the first uses of gated reverb.  I'm not sure why wikipedia and some of the other websites decided to ignore this not to mention David Bowie(on low) from 1977 and Allan Holdsworth's velvet darkness (76). PG/PC certainly popularized it though. There's no doubt about that. Listen to those examples(all are on youtube) before you keep arguing with me about it though. 

https://www.facebook.com/Pugadista/posts/gated-reverbgated-reverb-is-an-audio-processing-technique-that-is-applied-to-rec/138989626245322/

To quote yourself “if you want to think that you can”. I don’t know the other albums you cite, but I suspect you are just hearing/recognising effects that sound similar to gated reverb. It’s pretty much understood and agreed that gated reverb was something that came out of experimentation during the recording of a Peter Gabriel album.

That you use Bowie’s Low as an example of gated reverb is evidence that you are only hearing something that sounds like gated reverb, and assuming it to be that. There was no gated reverb on Low, so what you are hearing is probably the Eventide H910 Harmonizer. Tony Visconti has gone over the making of this album enough times, and I’ve not heard him speak of gated reverb once. But that snappy snare sound you hear is definitely the Eventide. And Visconti should know, because as Bowie himself stressed: “The actual sound and texture, the feel of everything from the drums to the way that my voice is recorded, is Tony Visconti”.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Peter Gabriel three was actually not the first use of the gated drums but one of the earlier examples. David Bowie and the Tubes used it before him. Also, if Nick Mason's drumming on the opening track on the wall wasn't actually gated reverb then it must be pretty close to it. PC was the first to perfect this technique though and popularize it.

Actually, you are incorrect. Gated Reverb was discovered during the PG3 session....



PG 3 was not the very first use of gated reverb but if you want to think that you can. Just don't forget to tell Prarie Prince of the Tubes(from the first album from 1975). Starting at the 43 second mark on the track "mondo bondage." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nibDtxm4u4g If that's not gated reverb then nothing is. True, it only lasts for maybe 10-12 seconds but it's still one of the first uses of gated reverb.  I'm not sure why wikipedia and some of the other websites decided to ignore this not to mention David Bowie(on low) from 1977 and Allan Holdsworth's velvet darkness (76). PG/PC certainly popularized it though. There's no doubt about that. Listen to those examples(all are on youtube) before you keep arguing with me about it though. 



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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Peter Gabriel three was actually not the first use of the gated drums but one of the earlier examples. David Bowie and the Tubes used it before him. Also, if Nick Mason's drumming on the opening track on the wall wasn't actually gated reverb then it must be pretty close to it. PC was the first to perfect this technique though and popularize it.

Actually, you are incorrect. Gated Reverb was discovered during the PG3 session....
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Peter Gabriel three was actually not the first use of the gated drums afaik but one of the earlier examples. David Bowie and the Tubes used it before him. Also, if Nick Mason's drumming on the opening track on the wall wasn't actually gated reverb then it must be pretty close to it. PC was the first to perfect this technique though and popularize it.

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I, too, like "Riding the Scree." 

Also, I agree that his playing is more about subtlety and playing within the music, not above or separate from it.

As I was listening to some of his repertoire today, I found myself really impressed with the work on "Eleventh Earl of Mar." 

Also, I just really get into his smooth work on John Martyn's 1981 release (that Phil produced), Glorious Fool. 
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I immediately thought of two from Duke:

"Man of our Times" and the "Duke's Travels/Duke's End" suite.
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Loved his drumming on "Eleventh Earl Of Mar"....



And of course the first use of the gated drum sound (and no use of cymbals whatsoever) on Peter Gabriel's "No Self Control"....
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In the air tonight
Unquiet Slumbers for the sleepers
Supper's Ready (especially apocalypse in 7/8)
The Musical Box
Dancing with the moonlit knight
Down and Out

Honestly there are a lot but those are just some off the top of my head.
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Lots to choose from. I'm not familiar will all the projects he produced  so this will be mostly Phil , Genesis & Brand X

  • GENESIS SONGS
  • In The Cage medley - Three sides live
  • Firth of Fifth
  • Dance on a Volcano
  • Los Endos - Seconds Out Version
  • Suppers Ready
  • Watcher of the Skies
  • Riding The Scree
  • Wot Gorilla
  • ..In That Quiet Earth
  • Duke's Travels
  • PHIL SOLO
  • In the Air Tonight   
  • Hand in Hand
  • The West Side
  • It Don't Matter to Me
  • Brand X
  • Nuclear Burn
  • Running on Three
  • Unorthodox Behavior
  • Hate Zone
  • Malanga Virgin
  • Freida
  • There's Something Going on
  • Clapton
  • She's Waiting ( Not a great song but the drums are cool)


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