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I don't know how I forgot this....simply exquisite.....last one...but what a gem.


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I bought this when it came out and re-listened recently.....forgot how good it was.


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And a couple more first thoughts, with Samuel's addition and dr Wu23's offering.

Samuel:  Jonas Munk & Nicklas Sørensen “Patterns”  A bright and snappy keyboard repeating a pattern is the foundation for this slowly becoming more layered piece.  Very subtly, the sounds increase, making it more complex than it would seem if one were not carefully listening.  Definitely there is a feeling of light to it, about halfway in, some swooping electric guitar comes along, weaving in with the already textured layers. Eventually, the piece fades just a tad before a fairly abrupt ending.  

dr wu23: BB King & U2 “When Love Comes To Town”  An inspired collaboration of two superstars in their respective fields.  Fun to hear and looks like they had a blast doing this.  Great blues lead, as expected, by BB.  We actually had all the buses on this tour and a great show it was to see, live.  Thank you for reminding me of it!


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No need for warnings. Wink The harp may not be my preferred instrument, but there's still great music being made with it! And you're making this Bill Ward solo album even more intriguing - I have to listen to it!
Glad to read you appreciated my selections, which had a kind of drummer theme (Zuiderwijk, Bruford, Bozzio...), and it's nice to hear you have that first BLS album, Black Light Syndrome. A fantastic album too, though I listen more often to the subsequent Situation Dangerous...

Some 20 years ago, when I was still living in the Netherlands, one of our major concert venues proposed a "drummer package": three world wide renowned drummers/drum acts going solo. Well, Cesar Zuiderwijk was for us Dutchies a world wide legend. A second ticket was another Dutch act: sl*g.rij Van Kampen (litterally "Van Kampen's Butchery"), a great percussion/drum ensemble, worth checking out if one likes this. And the third ticket was Terry Bozzio. That was just WOW! An amazingly impressive drum kit on stage and he, completely alone with his drum kit, delivering a mesmerizing solo concert. One of the most impressive proofs of musicianship I have ever witnessed!
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Yeah, I really enjoyed that selection of yours!  Now I'll have to get the other recording, since I now know there was another and I liked what I heard of it.  

Bozzio definitely has an insane kit....the prog drummers are so fun to watch, truly (and many of these drift into jazz).  

Bill is also fun to watch.  Offstage, he is so polite and soft-spoken, you'd never think it's the same person once he's behind that kit, though, he truly becomes another person, and it's very powerful. 

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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Snicolette: What can we expect from Bill Ward with Jack Bruce: Well, it's already Sunday so Sabbath is over... Sunday Cream, then! Wonderful perfect song, well written well performed - powerful delicacy! We then enter dthe eternal winter with harp and cello with Atilio Adrian Metteuccian Jesse Ahmann. Yes, the harp is bringing an ice cold breeze to us and we can hear the icicles fall from the rooftops every now and then, but fortunately we can warm us up near the warmth of the cello fire. Very nice interplay of these two instruments. Warmer harp sounds in the next one: Seckou Keita with Catrin Finch. This is a bit too much harp for me (you already know that), I miss the cello! But it is actually nice to hear and interesting to watch them play...

  I almost put out a sorry, more harp, note to you in my post, suitkees.  But see, you actually did seem to enjoy a bit the Athy (Atilio) piece.  And I do love to watch Keita and Finch on their live collaborations, they just have so much fun.  

I had wanted to bring Bill here for a long time, that recording went virtually unnoticed and there is some wonderful music on it.  Jack is also on another of the tunes on it, "Tall Stories," and Jack's son, Malcolm, is on several of the pieces, as well as contributing as a writer. There are a couple of guest vocals by Ozzy as well (and others, Bill also takes on lead vocals) and I am actually the first voice you hear on the record, the dispatcher at the start of "(Mobile) Shooting Gallery."  Bill asked me to write the script and slip back into an old job role to have a realistic 911 call, as the person in the song is overdosing and is saved from death, to straighten his life out, later, in the record.  

No need for warnings. Wink The harp may not be my preferred instrument, but there's still great music being made with it! And you're making this Bill Ward solo album even more intriguing - I have to listen to it!
Glad to read you appreciated my selections, which had a kind of drummer theme (Zuiderwijk, Bruford, Bozzio...), and it's nice to hear you have that first BLS album, Black Light Syndrome. A fantastic album too, though I listen more often to the subsequent Situation Dangerous...

Some 20 years ago, when I was still living in the Netherlands, one of our major concert venues proposed a "drummer package": three world wide renowned drummers/drum acts going solo. Well, Cesar Zuiderwijk was for us Dutchies a world wide legend. A second ticket was another Dutch act: sl*g.rij Van Kampen (litterally "Van Kampen's Butchery"), a great percussion/drum ensemble, worth checking out if one likes this. And the third ticket was Terry Bozzio. That was just WOW! An amazingly impressive drum kit on stage and he, completely alone with his drum kit, delivering a mesmerizing solo concert. One of the most impressive proofs of musicianship I have ever witnessed!

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Hmm.... not much into collaborations bu this track always grabbed me.




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For my third suggestion, since Anders didn't participate, I though I'd bring something from Denmark. This is from a collaboration between two of my favourite modern day guitarists, a lovely minimalist album for sunny mornings.



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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:


Snicolette: What can we expect from Bill Ward with Jack Bruce: Well, it's already Sunday so Sabbath is over... Sunday Cream, then! Wonderful perfect song, well written well performed - powerful delicacy! We then enter dthe eternal winter with harp and cello with Atilio Adrian Metteuccian Jesse Ahmann. Yes, the harp is bringing an ice cold breeze to us and we can hear the icicles fall from the rooftops every now and then, but fortunately we can warm us up near the warmth of the cello fire. Very nice interplay of these two instruments. Warmer harp sounds in the next one: Seckou Keita with Catrin Finch. This is a bit too much harp for me (you already know that), I miss the cello! But it is actually nice to hear and interesting to watch them play...


  I almost put out a sorry, more harp, note to you in my post, suitkees.  But see, you actually did seem to enjoy a bit the Athy (Atilio) piece.  And I do love to watch Keita and Finch on their live collaborations, they just have so much fun.  

I had wanted to bring Bill here for a long time, that recording went virtually unnoticed and there is some wonderful music on it.  Jack is also on another of the tunes on it, "Tall Stories," and Jack's son, Malcolm, is on several of the pieces, as well as contributing as a writer. There are a couple of guest vocals by Ozzy as well (and others, Bill also takes on lead vocals) and I am actually the first voice you hear on the record, the dispatcher at the start of "(Mobile) Shooting Gallery."  Bill asked me to write the script and slip back into an old job role to have a realistic 911 call, as the person in the song is overdosing and is saved from death, to straighten his life out, later, in the record.  
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I'm still on the first page, I hope I'll have time to listen to everything. I'm really liking your suggestions.
What is the schedule for the poll? Should everyone nominate their song until Wednesday?


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She plays a solo on a horn of some sort (related to a bombarde, or indeed one, I can’t see it clearly enough).  I see by translation, that this is the story of a rover of some sort, perhaps an old soldier or a person with no country anymore.  There is a sadness to the piece, one feels this is a soul that will always be lost.
Thanks for the always insightful comments, Nickie Thumbs Up She plays kazoo, to replace the trumpet on the studio version. Yes, it's basically the story of two wanderers: he is tormented by his past while she is afraid of what the future might bring.

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Meltdowner: Wonderful poll title song. I don't think I ever heard anything by this collaboration between Franz Ferdinand and Sparks - this one is very epic, and ironic!
Anaquim with Viviane bring a great song, rather classical in a way, but with a definite narrative quality (although I don't understand the lyrics) and their two voices complement each other very well.
The whole album is great but this track is clearly the highlight. It worked great for both: Sparks reached a younger audience (like myself) and Franz Ferdinand were going through the motions on their previous album.

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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

For sure this poll wins the prize for the best poll title song! Thumbs Up

I agree with that. Brilliant choice. There is no way I would attempt to attach a theme song to any of my future polls. Bar is set too high.
I guess I won't nominate this song, to lower the bar. Bring on the theme songs! Big smile
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

For sure this poll wins the prize for the best poll title song! Thumbs Up

I agree with that. Brilliant choice. There is no way I would attempt to attach a theme song to any of my future polls. Bar is set too high.
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I guess I'll miss this round. Sorry. See you on the next. Cool
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"Collaborations don't work" they said... They don't know what they're talking about! First round of listening...

Meltdowner: Wonderful poll title song. I don't think I ever heard anything by this collaboration between Franz Ferdinand and Sparks - this one is very epic, and ironic!
Anaquim with Viviane bring a great song, rather classical in a way, but with a definite narrative quality (although I don't understand the lyrics) and their two voices complement each other very well.

Hrychu: Nice to put some of your own work up...(now we want the names!). A three-part track that starts with a very 80s synth-dominated computer game sound, a second part with some singing (in Japanese?) and a third full on band bombasm. Some nice riffs and melodies that may need a video accompaniement or may be too busy for that?

Logan: A gentle string opening of the first track by Haco and Sakamoto Hiromichi, which then gets joined by a theremin before evolving into something very orchestral and then ebbing away again in the delicacy of the beginning. Very nice track by to me completely unknown artists... Pierre Henry and Urban Sax may not present my preferred work of Pierre Henry, but it always remains intriguing and fascinating how the sound and atmosphere develops in this very Steve-Reich like piece. Never heard of Toshiyuki Miyama nor His New Herd and it is with a big bang they enter us in a frightening scene, with dissonant strings and brass augmented by the electronics. A modern orchestral and very cinematographic composition with some deconstructed touches of rock and jazz. This is contemporary music I like very much!

jamesbaldwin: Nice to present more by Fabrizio De André - I definitely have to explore more of his music... The first track with Ivano Fossati displays his beautiful deep voice, the poetry of the lyrics and the subtle but rich music: the delicate guitar backed by an orchestra... The ending with Dori Ghezzi singing makes it a deeply moving song... Amico Fragile brings a more typical singer-songwriter track, but with PFM's arrangements bringing in some more rock balladry... A bit more conventional to my ears - maybe a bit too perfect? With Modena City Ramblers and Piero Pelù we have a kind of troubadour, storytelling song brought with a very Mediterranean quality with touches of (folk-)rock. Quite nice too, but I prefer the first song of the three.

Lewian: What can we expect from Jah Wobble, The Edge and Holger Czukay? Well, this: a camel! Very tight jazzy music with some licks and scratches and breathes sprinkled around. Very catchy and a fun listen in the sense that it is very playful and very musical at the same time.

Cristi: What can we expect from Coverdale & Page? Well, Deep White Zep, man! We're rollicking between the delicate acoustic guitar and the hard rocking thunder passages. Maybe not a masterpiece but they really team up well, these two! Going Off course with Erik Truffaz brings us in jazz territory: percussion, piano, electric guitar exchange with the beautiful trumpet playing by Truffaz. Nice track, and very different from the first one...

Snicolette: What can we expect from Bill Ward with Jack Bruce: Well, it's already Sunday so Sabbath is over... Sunday Cream, then! Wonderful perfect song, well written well performed - powerful delicacy! We then enter dthe eternal winter with harp and cello with Atilio Adrian Metteuccian Jesse Ahmann. Yes, the harp is bringing an ice cold breeze to us and we can hear the icicles fall from the rooftops every now and then, but fortunately we can warm us up near the warmth of the cello fire. Very nice interplay of these two instruments. Warmer harp sounds in the next one: Seckou Keita with Catrin Finch. This is a bit too much harp for me (you already know that), I miss the cello! But it is actually nice to hear and interesting to watch them play...




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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Good stuff here (and yes, even though Nicky outdoes herself once more describing the tracks thoroughly they are still worth a listen Tongue).

For sure this poll wins the prize for the best poll title song! Thumbs Up

Agreed with that, great poll title song.

And, I know, I just can't think of any other way to describe that kind of music, Lewian.  I'm glad you don't mind my flailing about to find the right descriptors.  Smile
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Good stuff here (and yes, even though Nicky outdoes herself once more describing the tracks thoroughly they are still worth a listen Tongue).

For sure this poll wins the prize for the best poll title song! Thumbs Up
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First thoughts on Page Two (so far, there may be more added) and on other's additional posts:

Lewian:  Holger Czukay & Dr. Walker “Backup Dream”  Heart-beaty boomp boomps and some far back vocals, like a far away radio, a more pronounced beat begins with clattery tambourine-y and percussion.  Backwards sounding orchestra sounds continue with the layers that are already here.  Some short wave radio tuning wavers in and out, goes far out, then shimmery sounds and sonic spookiness starts up.  The piece begins to get much more ominous here, with sounds of almost giant wasps or bees, a buzzing sort of noise.  Almost a tease of it easing up with the doomy sounds, but then they come back. Repeated organ-like key sounds jump in and possibly television voices, or perhaps radio programs (a cop show of some sort, then unrelated music) not quite tuned in.   Piece goes into outer space to a quick ending.  Deichkind “Selber Machen Lassen”  Hip hop probably describes it the best.  Can’t really tell what they’re saying, but since you explained, I do like the absurdity angle…I hope the bunny will be OK.   

Mike:  Pascal Comelad & Robert Wyatt “September Song”  I like the toy piano clinkies and the sort of dance-hall vocals.  And LOVE the art with the mice.  Some lazy accordion accompanies the also-slightly desultory vocals, sounds like they’re on the beach or a patio, soaking up some sun and lolling.  A trumpet joins in for a solo near the end.  Reminds me of The Kinks, which I said elsewhere in this poll. 

Cristi:  Bruce Soord & Jonas Renkse “Pleasure”  Restrained production here to start, with drums and chorded guitar.  Keys make some mucky sounds underneath as the vocalist begins.  This is a pretty dark piece, I like the vocalist’s tone and the effected chorus-y echoes of his voice as well.  Keyboards underscore his voice, then a washy guitar lead after.  It’s a piece that has a sort of traditional rock structure, yet the music is not traditional.  Some strings near the end (maybe on keys) finish out the tune. My favourite of yours here. 

George:  The Faces Staring Trio of Album Covers.  Jonas Hellborg, Buckethead & Michael Shrieve “Kidogo”  This has an almost jazzy feel to me, at least at first.   Very jittery guitars and keys with almost-ghostly vocals, back in the mix.  I really like the part(s) when they’re not singing and the bass, drums and guitars are just sort of jamming along.  The percussion is very sonically restrained, though very intense. They drop down about halfway in to very quiet guitar and some wonderful chorus-y sounds, like they’re coming from an underground labyrinth.  Very pretty punctuation on guitar drops in for a moment and then right back into the main tempo and sound of the whole band. The vocal chorus comes back right before the end.   This one could really grow on me.   Ginger Baker Trio “East Timor”  Bringing Ginger to the table again.  😊  Drums to the fore (as should be, with it being Ginger’s band).  A spoken brief history of the situation in East Timor that this song is about.  Some electric guitar shimmers in and out, the music becoming more intense underneath the voice, then the guitar joins in with the drums and bass in earnest, in a rocky/bluesy jam. This would undoubtedly be quite fun to watch, live.   Attention Deficit “The Risk of Failure”  Distorted guitars and drums start this one out, it abruptly moves into a different pace and feel than the short intro part.  However, there is still an underpinning of the intro way under as the bass becomes more prominent with the guitar continuing on it’s merry staccato way.  There is an addition of keys about a third in (not sure if real keys or a guitar effect).  The sound all drops out except drums and guitar, then they’re joined by bass as they slow the piece down for a bit and jam along in a different way, with the bass much more busy.  



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Thanks for your precious mini-review.

You are right about Khorakhané: the production sounds spare, but now I show you how many persons play in that song.

There is a great effort of instrumentalists but the result is sober.

The woman who gave you chills, Dori Ghezzi, was the wife of Fabrizio De André.

In this video his part is sung by Luvi De André, the daughter of Dori and Fabrizio. And the violinist (and arranger of the orchestra) is Cristiano De André, the son of Dori and Fabrizio.


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Even more moving with watching this, Lorenzo, thank you.  And as you said, so many instruments, though they are so thoughtfully placed, it seems spare.  A gorgeous stage as well, loved the Tarot card images, giving a sense of history to me.  Chills again.  Smile

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@Nickie:

Lorenzo:  Fabrizio De André “Khorakhané (A Forza di essere vento)”  Beautiful, soaring keys with an electric guitar begin the mournful piece.  Vocalist with much emotion tells the sad story.  A bell tolls with swelling orchestral touches.  Most of the production is very spare.  A woman sings at the very end of the piece, this one gave me chills.     Another from Fabrizio, arranged by PFM “Amico Fragile”  Guitar and the now-familiar-to-me voice of Frabrizio.  He reminds me much of Leonard Cohen, in his subject matter and delivery, although he has a more “musical” voice.  The electric guitar is very passionate in this one.  His sense of angst and frustration with the empty-minded come through quite clearly in the piece.  Thirdly, “La Guerra de Piero”, also Fabrizio, this time in collaboration with Modena City Ramblers and Piero Pelù.  Begins with oud or lute?  Flutes join in with the impassioned vocals that tell of the ravages of war.  They slip into an Irish slip jig, “The Butterfly.”  Reminds me of what I think of as a “village song,” a term I use from time to time (not sure how technical it is).  I like the beat of this a lot and the instrumentation as well as the tale.


Thanks for your precious mini-review.

You are right about Khorakhané: the production sounds spare, but now I show you how many persons play in that song.

There is a great effort of instrumentalists but the result is sober.

The woman who gave you chills, Dori Ghezzi, was the wife of Fabrizio De André.

In this video his part is sung by Luvi De André, the daughter of Dori and Fabrizio. And the violinist (and arranger of the orchestra) is Cristiano De André, the son of Dori and Fabrizio.






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Bruce Soord With Jonas Renkse - Pleasure


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I'll mini theme with collaborating trios. (EDIT: Also an inadvertent theme of album covers with a face staring at you. I just noticed that.)

Jonas Hellborg, Buckethead, Michael Shrieve - "Kidogo"



Ginger Baker Trio (Ginger Baker, Bill Frisell, Charlie Haden) - "East Timor"



Attention Deficit (Michael Manring, Tim "Herb" Alexander, Alex Skolnick) - "The Risk of Failure"



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Glad you didn't take umbrage, Mike, it seems you got what I was saying, not sure that I understood what they were trying to do, so hard for me to actually judge it, per se.  Also, I don't know any Yanni material, so I don't know how it veered from the original, although I have heard what he does on commercials for his music from long ago....obviously, this is very different from the types of compositions he would create. I may actually enjoy some of Beck's other Record Club endeavours, truly, being here and hearing some of what the more avant fans put forward has opened my ears more to the genre than before, with learned exposure to it.  Will be curious to see what they have to say about this one.  Smile

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