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Gatot 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 28 2004 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 184 |
 Posted: October 03 2005 at 12:10 |
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I FULLY AGREE WITh YOU ...!!!!!!!! I'm confused with the later additions as well ... Gatot
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arcer
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Joined: September 01 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1239 |
Posted: October 03 2005 at 11:22 |
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Bands related to prog is a fine idea - Zep, Queen, Triumph, Boston etc etc all had moments where their classic prog influences leaked out. Take Boston's Foreplay/Long Time. I distinctly remember, as a youngster, asking an older friend if he knew any other bands who had lots of keyboards like that. He pointed me at Yes and Genesis. Twenty years later.... Bit like a drug dealer really. "So kid, you like that little bit of Hammond organ do ya? Try this on for size. What is it? Only Close to the Edge. It'll blow your mind. Whaty a rush!"
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NutterAlert
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Joined: June 07 2005 Location: In transition Status: Offline Points: 2808 |
Posted: October 03 2005 at 11:11 |
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^Well 1973 to be honest
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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NutterAlert
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Posted: October 03 2005 at 11:06 |
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YES on front cover of Rolling Stone:
Last months copy though... |
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Proud to be an un-banned member since 2005
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nimrodel
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Joined: May 07 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 1217 |
Posted: October 03 2005 at 11:03 |
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i tough that we were talking about
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We want... a shrubbery!
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Tony R
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Posted: October 03 2005 at 10:36 |
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BUMP
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Tony R
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Posted: October 03 2005 at 05:29 |
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Ok,Ok.......... so tell me: how do we undo 25 years of damage where Prog Rock was pushed to the wastelends and isolated from public perception by the Media? Do you believe that Prog Rock's heritage will just endure without any tinkering? If sopmeone's searching for Triumph on a search engine and is lead to their page on Prog Archives and is told;"If you like Triumph you might also like to try Rush and Dream Theater" then surely we have achieved something! If a miracle happened and Yes apppeared on the front cover of Rolling Stone,we would be punching the air in delight,surely.We wouldnt accuse Yes (or Prog Rock) of selling out-we would consider the implications. |
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ClemofNazareth
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Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: October 02 2005 at 23:22 |
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Well, I agree with you that Journey's first couple of albums could be easily be considered prog-related, if not neo-prog, definitely much more so than Triumph. "Of a Lifetime" had a progressive feel on their first album, and "Kohoutek" is almost a jazz fusion tune. Plus they had very prog-appropriate artwork on their first two album covers  .
But everything they did after 1975 cancels all that out and they should never be allowed to occupy archive space here. Hmmm, a moderately prog band who managed to undergo a complete transformation into a corporate shill schlepping glossed over pop tunes under the guise of intelligent music...... Another band from the east side of the Atlantic pond comes to mind here too. Maybe we should have a new category - "used-ta'-be-prog" |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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Zac M
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:40 |
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It's funny that you say that because Journey WAS prog and more prog than all the other bands you mentioned. I don't care what anyone says. Just listen to their first album if you don't believe me. (Also, I'm not in anyway suggesting that Journey be on here because most of their albums aren't prog at all.) |
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"Art is not imitation, nor is it something manufactured according to the wishes of instinct or good taste. It is a process of expression."
-Merleau-Ponty |
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bluetailfly
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Joined: January 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1383 |
Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:24 |
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Or maybe like this: "So, what kind of music do you listen to?" "Well, you know, proto-prog." "Really, who?" "Well, you know the usual, Journey, Styx, Triumph. They're very proto, if you know what I mean." |
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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ClemofNazareth
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Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:21 |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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Gedhead
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:20 |
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"So, what kind of music do you listen to?"
"Well, ya know, progressive rock. "Oh really! Who?" "Well you know, the usual, Pink Floyd and, well ya know, Triumph." Triumph's addition to this site is ridiculous. What an oversight. |
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TheProgtologist
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: October 02 2005 at 22:05 |
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And I was holding back........ |
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CalamityDaemon
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Joined: August 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 48 |
Posted: October 02 2005 at 21:16 |
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You know what we should do?
Let's add Vengeance and Bodine because Arjen Lucassen was in it and he invented the immaculate, holiness that is Ayreon. What? They're "Prog-Related"! |
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I wake to Sleep and I take my Waking slow,
I feel my fate in what I cannot fear, I learn by going where I have to go. |
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bluetailfly
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 21:03 |
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Whoa, dude, you don't have to sugar-coat it. Just tell us what you really think... |
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 20:33 |
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Triumph......the BS just doesn't stop piling up. This proto prog/prog related classification is a load of crap.Almost any band could be added under prog related.I think it is watering down the best prog rock resource on the net,and don't really like it. |
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bluetailfly
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Posted: October 02 2005 at 19:47 |
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I'm not a real Triumph fan, but early Triumph -- I believe -- was more, how do I say it, thoughtfully created, than some of the later stuff. It aspired to more than, say, the "No-no Song." Sort of like early Journey, before the complete and utter sell-out. At least that's how I remember it in those lazy, hazy days of the mid-70s. I mean we'd hear Triumph in between PFM and Led Zeppelin and go, not bad, like the solo, like the lyrics, lead singer is good, good serious rock. Then something like "Hair of the Dog" would come on, and we'd go wild...
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"The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle."
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Tony R
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Posted: October 02 2005 at 19:04 |
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Like I said this band was added in haste by someone with good intentions....but... anyway here's the link to Ordinary Man (the most prog like if you take a giant leap of imagination,kinda proto-Styx ) http://www.progarchives.com/mp3/Triumph-Allied%20Forces-07-O rdinary%20Man.mp3 Click the link and it will play after a short while or right-click and "save target as2 to download it.
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ClemofNazareth
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Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:51 |
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Make it "Hot Time on This City Tonight". No wait, there goes your advertising scheme...... Oh well, cat's out of the bag. Or, "oot" of the bag as they say up north....
Alright bluetailcry, back to the serious stuff.... Edited by ClemofNazareth |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
Albert Camus |
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Tony R
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
Posted: October 02 2005 at 18:45 |
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I do believe the inclusion of Triumph as Art Rock was very silly,though.I'm not even sure they should have been added as prog-related,they're more Van Halen than Rush.There appears to be nothing I can do about this now,but hopefully this is a blip. I'm going to add a track from Allied Forces,so people can judge for themselves. |
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Triumph?! Are you kidding me?!?
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TheProgtologist wrote:
I like Triumph - well at least Just A Game and Allied Forces. And, way back when, I got to Triumph via Rush and Kansas and uhhh Boston. It was all the same to me then, why would someone who listens to Magic Power not then be intrigued by Tom Sawyer and by extension intrigued by, say, something from Drama which might lead to CTTE and thence to Selling England and years later you end up with a sad old git like.... me!
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