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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

People often forget how successful Kansas were, their first 3 went gold but leftoverture and POKR both went somewhere from 4-6x platinum in the states and monolith went platinum.

Nope. As someone who studies album sales of certain bands intently I have to say I disagree with some of this.

First of all it's true that the first three albums went gold but in the case of the second and third only a few years later and not when they were first released. The first album didn't go gold until the 90's. Also, POKR and Leftoverture went four times platinum not more than that. If they sold more it hasn't been documented by the riaa(maybe someday but not as of yet). Finally, Monolith did not go platinum. It "only" went gold. If it has gone platinum then it hasn't been documented. It is certainly possible albums have sold more than what the riaa reports(they can only certify something if it's requested and since it costs money to make that request not all record companies do that until they are sure it's worth it if they do it at all)but we can only know what is official. 

Oops, my bad on that one. Knew I shouldn't have trusted my memory. Still though, pretty good numbers for a band out of bumblef**k nowhere!LOL

Well, like I said it's quite likely they have sold more then what is listed anyway. That holds true with other bands. For example, Dark side of the moon is listed as 15 million but that is from 1998. I'm pretty sure it has sold at least 22 million by now. Close to the Edge is certified as platinum(also 1998) but has probably sold at least 1.5 by now and maybe even 2 million. Who knows. There's probably other examples too. 

Monolith was listed on wikipedia at one point as selling one million but that hasn't been verified on the riaa website so it can't be considered official. I'm an editor on wikipedia so I had to change that so it only showed gold status. Trust, me that was hard to do. ;) I dont mind someone changing it back as long as it reflects the truth but so far no evidence to suggest it has gone platinum yet(only gold).


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

People often forget how successful Kansas were, their first 3 went gold but leftoverture and POKR both went somewhere from 4-6x platinum in the states and monolith went platinum.

Nope. As someone who studies album sales of certain bands intently I have to say I disagree with some of this.

First of all it's true that the first three albums went gold but in the case of the second and third only a few years later and not when they were first released. The first album didn't go gold until the 90's. Also, POKR and Leftoverture went four times platinum not more than that. If they sold more it hasn't been documented by the riaa(maybe someday but not as of yet). Finally, Monolith did not go platinum. It "only" went gold. If it has gone platinum then it hasn't been documented. It is certainly possible albums have sold more than what the riaa reports(they can only certify something if it's requested and since it costs money to make that request not all record companies do that until they are sure it's worth it if they do it at all)but we can only know what is official. 

Oops, my bad on that one. Knew I shouldn't have trusted my memory. Still though, pretty good numbers for a band out of bumblef**k nowhere!LOL
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I think a lot of people are just voting for Pink Floyd without reading the fine print. As a rock band in general only a few artists were as successful or more successful. For prog I think there are others who were more influential and even more popular within the genre. Also, there's the fact that not everyone even agrees they are prog in the first place(which doesn't help them any in some respects).

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Yes is the quintessential progressive band. If someone asks what's prog, I'd mention classic era Yes. I would say the most succesful artists is Pink Floyd, but strictly talking in prog terms is Yes. One could also mention King Crimson given they're the most "important", whether they created the genre or not, they certainly redefined it as we know it with ITCOTCK. Genesis and ELP come slightly below, though ELP were very important in making it the leading rock movement of the first half of the '70s. They made it cool. 
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Financial success = Pink Floyd
Artistic success = King Crimson
Influential Success = Really only one of those bands falls away and that's ELP. All the others have been largely influential.
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Depending of the genre I would say. Regaring Synphonyc prog, it has a lot of influence from Genesis/Yes. Heavy or metal prog from Rush/King Crimson.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

People often forget how successful Kansas were, their first 3 went gold but leftoverture and POKR both went somewhere from 4-6x platinum in the states and monolith went platinum.

Nope. As someone who studies album sales of certain bands intently I have to say I disagree with some of this.

First of all it's true that the first three albums went gold but in the case of the second and third only a few years later and not when they were first released. The first album didn't go gold until the 90's. Also, POKR and Leftoverture went four times platinum not more than that. If they sold more it hasn't been documented by the riaa(maybe someday but not as of yet). Finally, Monolith did not go platinum. It "only" went gold. If it has gone platinum then it hasn't been documented. It is certainly possible albums have sold more than what the riaa reports(they can only certify something if it's requested and since it costs money to make that request not all record companies do that until they are sure it's worth it if they do it at all)but we can only know what is official. 


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Successful = most influential, that would be (for me) King Crimson.
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Yes, at their poignantly brief peak.  I just don't think anyone else was in the same universe.


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People often forget how successful Kansas were, their first 3 went gold but leftoverture and POKR both went somewhere from 4-6x platinum in the states and monolith went platinum.

Edited by dougmcauliffe - August 05 2020 at 14:58
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neu!mann Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2020 at 14:56
A case can be made for any of these bands, but I have to choose ELP. Keith Emerson's fusion of rock and classical music pretty much defined progressive rock in the 1970's, and he almost single-handedly introduced the synthesizer as a lead instrument...hard to beat that.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Based on influence I'd have to say Yes, they're the closest to genre defining.

I'm tempted to say Yes but I'm leaning towards KC. If it wasn't for King Crimson you wouldn't have Yes, Genesis or even the whole genre as we know it. 

I personally much prefer Crimson but I see more bands following the Yes symphonic approach rather than KC's more angular stuff. For pure impact of one album then yes its' KC - ITCOTCK.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Based on influence I'd have to say Yes, they're the closest to genre defining.

I'm tempted to say Yes but I'm leaning towards KC. If it wasn't for King Crimson you wouldn't have Yes, Genesis or even the whole genre as we know it. 
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Or do you mean longevity or monetary gains of a certain version of a group (one set group of artists along a band's timeline)?
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For being influential to the prog genre, then it's got to be King Crimson, or else Yes. I went with Crim just because of Court.
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It's a Yes vote for me, seeing as their more recent albums sound just as good to my ears as their classic albums. Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jaketejas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2020 at 13:32
Or do you mean longevity?

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Based on influence I'd have to say Yes, they're the closest to genre defining.
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