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Topic: Which band was the most successful?
Posted By: FatherChristmas
Subject: Which band was the most successful?
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 10:40
NOTE: I may have made this thread before. I can't remember. Someone close it if I have.
If you remember, a while ago I started a thread called "Most Famous Prog Bands" on people's favourite prog bands that were very successful outside the prog scene. Here, I'm returning to the same bands, but the subject is which was most successful. I don't mean commercial success - in that case Pink Floyd would win, and that's a fact, not an opinion. I mean which was the most inspirational, which left their mark on prog the most and which really defined the genre as we know it.
So, I'm voting Genesis. Not because I love Genesis, but because no prog band at the time sounded quite like them, and yet loads of bands after their heyday (well, proggy heyday) are compared with them, and nearly every neo prog and post 70s symphonic prog band claims inspiration from them. And I am yet to here an album that sounds like Selling England by the Pound or Duke.



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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 11:52
On influence, either Yes or PF I guess.


Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 11:55
Toss up between Yes and Genesis.

Went with Genesis.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 12:08
Success ranking:

1. Pink Floyd
2. Genesis
3. Rush
4. Yes
5. ELP
6. King Crimson


As for influence it would be different. If we are talking influence in hipster/music snob circles it would be PF then KC.

As for strictly influence in prog without taking sales into much consideration: 

1. King Crimson
2. Genesis
3. Yes
4. Pink Floyd
5. Rush
6. ELP

Prog popularity(as in over all popularity among prog fans):

1. Genesis
2.Yes
3.King Crimson
4.Pink Floyd
5.ELP/Rush tie


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 12:12
I don't mean commercial success - in that case Pink Floyd would win, and that's a fact, not an opinion. 

Well, I agree with you there. See my first set of six(also fact and not opinion) which is based on album sales/commercial success.


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 12:13
If by successful you mean sales, no contest. Pink Floyd by a country mile. If you mean by influence, then that is something prog fans will argue about all year long, and it depends upon who, precisely, you are talking about the influence onWink

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 12:21
another thread about the most famous progressive rock bands ever. Right... Disapprove


Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 12:45
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

If by successful you mean sales, no contest. Pink Floyd by a country mile. If you mean by influence, then that is something prog fans will argue about all year long, and it depends upon who, precisely, you are talking about the influence onWink
There might be one way to determine which was the most influential: round up every band in the world and see which prog band they take the most inspiration from. God help the person who does that. 


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Posted By: Braka1
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 12:58
Yep

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 13:07
Based on influence I'd have to say Yes, they're the closest to genre defining.

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Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 13:32
Or do you mean longevity?


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 13:38
KC

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Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 13:42
It's a Yes vote for me, seeing as their more recent albums sound just as good to my ears as their classic albums. Smile


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 13:56
For being influential to the prog genre, then it's got to be King Crimson, or else Yes. I went with Crim just because of Court.


Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 14:03
Or do you mean longevity or monetary gains of a certain version of a group (one set group of artists along a band's timeline)?


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 14:11
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Based on influence I'd have to say Yes, they're the closest to genre defining.

I'm tempted to say Yes but I'm leaning towards KC. If it wasn't for King Crimson you wouldn't have Yes, Genesis or even the whole genre as we know it. 


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 14:21
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Based on influence I'd have to say Yes, they're the closest to genre defining.

I'm tempted to say Yes but I'm leaning towards KC. If it wasn't for King Crimson you wouldn't have Yes, Genesis or even the whole genre as we know it. 

I personally much prefer Crimson but I see more bands following the Yes symphonic approach rather than KC's more angular stuff. For pure impact of one album then yes its' KC - ITCOTCK.


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Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 14:56
A case can be made for any of these bands, but I have to choose ELP. Keith Emerson's fusion of rock and classical music pretty much defined progressive rock in the 1970's, and he almost single-handedly introduced the synthesizer as a lead instrument...hard to beat that.


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Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 14:57
People often forget how successful Kansas were, their first 3 went gold but leftoverture and POKR both went somewhere from 4-6x platinum in the states and monolith went platinum.

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Posted By: Braka1
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 15:14
Yes, at their poignantly brief peak.  I just don't think anyone else was in the same universe.



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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 15:56
Successful = most influential, that would be (for me) King Crimson.


Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 16:00
Pink Floyd

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 17:35
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

People often forget how successful Kansas were, their first 3 went gold but leftoverture and POKR both went somewhere from 4-6x platinum in the states and monolith went platinum.

Nope. As someone who studies album sales of certain bands intently I have to say I disagree with some of this.

First of all it's true that the first three albums went gold but in the case of the second and third only a few years later and not when they were first released. The first album didn't go gold until the 90's. Also, POKR and Leftoverture went four times platinum not more than that. If they sold more it hasn't been documented by the riaa(maybe someday but not as of yet). Finally, Monolith did not go platinum. It "only" went gold. If it has gone platinum then it hasn't been documented. It is certainly possible albums have sold more than what the riaa reports(they can only certify something if it's requested and since it costs money to make that request not all record companies do that until they are sure it's worth it if they do it at all)but we can only know what is official. 


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 19:40
Depending of the genre I would say. Regaring Synphonyc prog, it has a lot of influence from Genesis/Yes. Heavy or metal prog from Rush/King Crimson.


Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 20:12
Financial success = Pink Floyd
Artistic success = King Crimson
Influential Success = Really only one of those bands falls away and that's ELP. All the others have been largely influential.


Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 22:08
Yes is the quintessential progressive band. If someone asks what's prog, I'd mention classic era Yes. I would say the most succesful artists is Pink Floyd, but strictly talking in prog terms is Yes. One could also mention King Crimson given they're the most "important", whether they created the genre or not, they certainly redefined it as we know it with ITCOTCK. Genesis and ELP come slightly below, though ELP were very important in making it the leading rock movement of the first half of the '70s. They made it cool. 

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 22:57
I think a lot of people are just voting for Pink Floyd without reading the fine print. As a rock band in general only a few artists were as successful or more successful. For prog I think there are others who were more influential and even more popular within the genre. Also, there's the fact that not everyone even agrees they are prog in the first place(which doesn't help them any in some respects).


Posted By: dougmcauliffe
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 23:12
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

People often forget how successful Kansas were, their first 3 went gold but leftoverture and POKR both went somewhere from 4-6x platinum in the states and monolith went platinum.

Nope. As someone who studies album sales of certain bands intently I have to say I disagree with some of this.

First of all it's true that the first three albums went gold but in the case of the second and third only a few years later and not when they were first released. The first album didn't go gold until the 90's. Also, POKR and Leftoverture went four times platinum not more than that. If they sold more it hasn't been documented by the riaa(maybe someday but not as of yet). Finally, Monolith did not go platinum. It "only" went gold. If it has gone platinum then it hasn't been documented. It is certainly possible albums have sold more than what the riaa reports(they can only certify something if it's requested and since it costs money to make that request not all record companies do that until they are sure it's worth it if they do it at all)but we can only know what is official. 

Oops, my bad on that one. Knew I shouldn't have trusted my memory. Still though, pretty good numbers for a band out of bumblef**k nowhere!LOL


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 23:20
Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

People often forget how successful Kansas were, their first 3 went gold but leftoverture and POKR both went somewhere from 4-6x platinum in the states and monolith went platinum.

Nope. As someone who studies album sales of certain bands intently I have to say I disagree with some of this.

First of all it's true that the first three albums went gold but in the case of the second and third only a few years later and not when they were first released. The first album didn't go gold until the 90's. Also, POKR and Leftoverture went four times platinum not more than that. If they sold more it hasn't been documented by the riaa(maybe someday but not as of yet). Finally, Monolith did not go platinum. It "only" went gold. If it has gone platinum then it hasn't been documented. It is certainly possible albums have sold more than what the riaa reports(they can only certify something if it's requested and since it costs money to make that request not all record companies do that until they are sure it's worth it if they do it at all)but we can only know what is official. 

Oops, my bad on that one. Knew I shouldn't have trusted my memory. Still though, pretty good numbers for a band out of bumblef**k nowhere!LOL

Well, like I said it's quite likely they have sold more then what is listed anyway. That holds true with other bands. For example, Dark side of the moon is listed as 15 million but that is from 1998. I'm pretty sure it has sold at least 22 million by now. Close to the Edge is certified as platinum(also 1998) but has probably sold at least 1.5 by now and maybe even 2 million. Who knows. There's probably other examples too. 

Monolith was listed on wikipedia at one point as selling one million but that hasn't been verified on the riaa website so it can't be considered official. I'm an editor on wikipedia so I had to change that so it only showed gold status. Trust, me that was hard to do. ;) I dont mind someone changing it back as long as it reflects the truth but so far no evidence to suggest it has gone platinum yet(only gold).


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 05 2020 at 23:51
Nearly impossible this
Floyd - made 3 fantastic albums but then 'died' as the band started to split apart
Genesis - nowhere near 'interesting enough'. Banks didn't embrace the keyboard tech enough
Yes - far too hung up on the whole cosmic thing it almost became a parody of itself
Rush - Yawn , not even really 'progressive'
ELP - Like Yes became a bit of a parody of itself especially around the time of Fanfare For The Common Man

so the clear winner is King Crimson

NEVER became a parody of itself.
ALWAYS remained fresh and inventive
STILL sold plenty of albums
AND massively influential


Posted By: thief
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 00:57
I'd like the OP to make it BOLD it's not about commercial success.... or even rethink the title, because frankly, successful = wealth + fame + recognition, mostly!

Back to the topic.

Pink Floyd - inspired many people outside of prog, but their most "famous" albums are easy listening really
Genesis - too little recognition in the 70s, maybe the most "obscure" of the lot in pre-Duke era. It must be said they influenced a heck load of bands later on, especially in the Neo Prog days
Yes - well they had recognition in prog days, had the money, inspired some artists - although their style and technical prowess was hard to mimic. Definitely a very successful and quintessential band, could be my pick
Rush - not that proggy, I think they influenced the nerdy crowd and maybe 90s prog metal, but for prog rock, they arrived too late
ELP - maybe the biggest name in prog rock, commercially, in the 1970-73 era. Emerson was a household name, Lake was too, and they lived up to the hype. They really fell out of favor later and never really "redeemed" themselves outside of prog circles. As richardh mentioned, "self parody" was a problem

So I pick King Crimson


Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 01:15
OP either needs to reframe his premise or change the title of this thread because he's asking the very question he insists he doesn't want the answer to based on his own criteria, lmao.

I'd argue 9 out of 10 people will recognize the name Pink Floyd, less will know Genesis, ELP, and Yes - the rest don't stand a chance lol.

Pink Floyd even though they aren't my favorite, it's obvious they are the most successful.


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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 02:06
I think it´s absolutely KC, it really has influenced most outside prog from those bands, there are even 2000`s alternative music fans that love KC.


Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 15:37
KC aren't hugely famous, though everyone who's heard of prog rock has heard of KC. I'd say Genesis because, like Pink Floyd, they're pretty well known outside of prog and thus can inspire musicians who aren't familiar with prog, and like KC, have done some genre defining stuff. However, what I can't give them credit for is being like King Crimson and going on making different music into oblivion, so I'd say IMO KC and PF would be joint second.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 15:39
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

I think it´s absolutely KC, it really has influenced most outside prog from those bands, there are even 2000`s alternative music fans that love KC.

There's alternative and metal fans who like KC. The same thing with Porcupine Tree. I would say all of these bands probably have some kind of following or fans outside of strictly prog circles though. That's what happens when a band reaches a certain level of fame and notoriety. With some it's probably more on the classic rock side(PF, ELP, Yes) and with others it's more indie and alternative(KC and PF and to some degree Rush). Genesis probably are a mixture of those with probably a lot of "pop" fans also. Most metal fans are probably more into Rush, KC and PF then any of the others though.


Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 15:42
Most people like KC, I'll admit that.

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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 06 2020 at 15:44
Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Most people like KC, I'll admit that.

Most people who like prog anyway. Wink 


Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 07:43
Outside of prog.....right now, that's probably KC. I'm hearing them pop up everywhere in the mainstream now. Every basic bitch getting into the Crimson. 

Also big in the anime scene. My younger brother rambled on for 5 minutes about 'JoJo's bizarre adventure' the first time I mentioned King Crimson to him.
It's Crimson-mania....well maybe not to that extent, yet.


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 08:10
If not successful -regarding money- then....going with KC.....btw a poll here in 2017 asked the most influential
and the ranking was:
KC
Floyd
Yes
Genesis
ELP


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 08:17
Floyd and Genesis. They are household names and the members are quite well-off.


Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 09:55
Agreed here, but...
Originally posted by Spacegod87 Spacegod87 wrote:

Outside of prog.....right now, that's probably KC. I'm hearing them pop up everywhere in the mainstream now. Every basic bitch getting into the Crimson.

I think I've only heard KC in a public place 5 times.

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Posted By: Spacegod87
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 19:46
Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I think I've only heard KC in a public place 5 times

I guess I just meant the amount of people I've spoken to irl who now know of KC (well, ITCOTCK anyway) because of anime or Kanye. It's building up. 

Also weird hearing Starless at the beginning of the movie 'Mandy' as well.
I also reckon that Fripp is becoming meme-worthy in the realm of anime.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 21:51
Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Agreed here, but...
Originally posted by Spacegod87 Spacegod87 wrote:

Outside of prog.....right now, that's probably KC. I'm hearing them pop up everywhere in the mainstream now. Every basic bitch getting into the Crimson.

I think I've only heard KC in a public place 5 times.

Does that include KC concerts? LOL

I think I only heard them one time in public and that was in the parking lot of a book store. A guy was  playing something from Discipline in his car. This guy was pretty crazy because he claimed to be the guy who wrote the lyrics to some of their seventies albums. I know he was lying because he said the guy's name wrong(he was pretending to be Richard Palmer James). LOL I really can't think of anytime hearing them in public other than that one time though oddly enough. There was a guy playing a mixed KC disc(or tape) in his suv cd player but I won't count that because that was in the parking garage during a prog festival. Wink


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 21:54
Ok, I wound up voting for Yes because I think they are the band most closely associated with prog. There are a lot of people who vaguely know what prog is but at least know Yes are considered prog rock. Many(if not most)of them probably don't know who King Crimson are(and some probably never even heard of them). Pink Floyd are not as closely associated with prog as Yes are imo. 


Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: August 07 2020 at 22:54
Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

KC aren't hugely famous, though everyone who's heard of prog rock has heard of KC. I'd say Genesis because, like Pink Floyd, they're pretty well known outside of prog and thus can inspire musicians who aren't familiar with prog, and like KC, have done some genre defining stuff. However, what I can't give them credit for is being like King Crimson and going on making different music into oblivion, so I'd say IMO KC and PF would be joint second.
Well I agree Crimson is not famous with the ordinary people, who music commonly doesn´t mean much. But I believe every serious music listener and really every musician know KC. You have to also understand that there are many, who hate Floyd, Yes, Genesis & ELP in punk/alternative music listeners, but really haven´t heard anybody hate KC in that group. Jethro is also band that seems to get respect, but KC much more.


Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: August 08 2020 at 01:49
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Ok, I wound up voting for Yes because I think they are the band most closely associated with prog. There are a lot of people who vaguely know what prog is but at least know Yes are considered prog rock. Many(if not most)of them probably don't know who King Crimson are(and some probably never even heard of them). Pink Floyd are not as closely associated with prog as Yes are imo. 

The exact same reason I voted Yes. This seems to be what the OP was looking for.


Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: August 08 2020 at 04:03
Of course the most successful prog bands of all time were Welcome (Switzerland) and Banzai (Belgium)

Jokes aside, I think it's Yes.

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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: August 08 2020 at 05:09
Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Ok, I wound up voting for Yes because I think they are the band most closely associated with prog. There are a lot of people who vaguely know what prog is but at least know Yes are considered prog rock. Many(if not most)of them probably don't know who King Crimson are(and some probably never even heard of them). Pink Floyd are not as closely associated with prog as Yes are imo. 

The exact same reason I voted Yes. This seems to be what the OP was looking for.

Great post, and agreed!


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Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 03:48
Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Ok, I wound up voting for Yes because I think they are the band most closely associated with prog. There are a lot of people who vaguely know what prog is but at least know Yes are considered prog rock. Many(if not most)of them probably don't know who King Crimson are(and some probably never even heard of them). Pink Floyd are not as closely associated with prog as Yes are imo. 

The exact same reason I voted Yes. This seems to be what the OP was looking for.

Yeah, I suppose so. Yes has been one of the most defining bands of prog, and has always been associated with prog, despite 90125.

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 04:05
I finally understood what OP was looking. And have to say the answer is both Yes & Genesis. I mean if people who knows at all prog is thinking how does it sound. Really hard to say which has define more prog. Also I think really many progbands of today wanted to sound like Yes and Genesis, specially if they are categorized as symph prog. And really many today´s people know Pink Floyd, but not that it has put into prog at least in the seventies-eighties.


Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 05:32
I fully agree with you on Genesis, which was what I originally thought. Without Genesis we would not have a lot of things, including neo prog. Even Rush has taken inspiration from Genesis, since Neil Peart claimed influence from the SEBTP album. If success is how defining and influential a band is, in prog, Yes and Genesis are the most successful bands.

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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 07:16
Have to say I really love Yes & Genesis, also Rush into Signals, but my life would never collapsed if neo prog hadn´t existed. Also "new wave of modern prog in the nineties & 2000´s". There were few really personal new progbands in Finland in 1990´s & 2000´s that I really love, but that´s all.


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 10:07
Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Ok, I wound up voting for Yes because I think they are the band most closely associated with prog. There are a lot of people who vaguely know what prog is but at least know Yes are considered prog rock. Many(if not most)of them probably don't know who King Crimson are(and some probably never even heard of them). Pink Floyd are not as closely associated with prog as Yes are imo. 

The exact same reason I voted Yes. This seems to be what the OP was looking for.

Yeah, I suppose so. Yes has been one of the most defining bands of prog, and has always been associated with prog, despite 90125.

Yeah, kind of weird that their biggest album(sales wise) isn't one that is very representative of their signature sound and style but I suppose you could say the same about Genesis. These days their most defining album however seems to be close to the edge. If you look up lists online of not just prog albums but even classic rock albums ctte usually pops up there somewhere and if it's a prog list it's usually at or near the top. 90125 rarely gets mentioned unless you are talking about 80's albums specificially and even then there are several others that are rated and ranked higher. 


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 10:48
The OP is kinda all over the place, as seems some feel too. Successful, inspirational, influential can certainly be looked at differently. 
To be very serious about this you would almost have to research what other bands say. Newer bands would probably say Rush and Pink Floyd. The older the "newer" band is you will start to see King Crimson Genesis and Yes mentioned.
What I think would happen is you will get more that a newer band is inspired by a particular musician rather than the band as a whole. 
In that case I would say Chris Squire, Neil Peart probably lead that pack. Phil Collins is always noted as an excellent drummer and Geddy Lee with his 3 ring circus talent bass, keys and vocals. We all love Steve Hackett and his playing, but rarely do you hear newer bands cite him as an influence individually.

I don't know how to answer but I really feel that Genesis, KC and ELP would be low on a list like this. As progressive rock fans we love these bands, I just am not sure other bands do.


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Posted By: A Bard
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 11:09
I have to say Pink Floyd. Genesis comes in a very close second. If was the 80s Genesis would win in my opinion. Pink Floyd is still in the Public Conversation while Phill Area genesis is not as talk as often.   


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 12:10
I remember a long time ago there was this cartoon in progression magazine where a guy wearing a t shirt with all these prog band names on it like Flower Kings, Djam Karet, Glass Hammer, etc sees a guy wearing a Pink Floyd t shirt and says to him something like "cool shirt man, Pink Floyd are one of my favorite prog bands." The guy wearing the Pink Floyd t shirt responds by saying "what are you talking about? Pink Floyd are a rock band." LOL I think that cartoon sums it up right there. I would guess that probably at least 80 percent of Pink Floyd fans don't even know what prog is. 


Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 12:21
Originally posted by Spacegod87 Spacegod87 wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I think I've only heard KC in a public place 5 times

I guess I just meant the amount of people I've spoken to irl who now know of KC (well, ITCOTCK anyway) because of anime or Kanye. It's building up. 

Also weird hearing Starless at the beginning of the movie 'Mandy' as well.
I also reckon that Fripp is becoming meme-worthy in the realm of anime.

I can't really disagree with that. King Crimson is starting to get this big hipster following or something. Actually they have probably had it for a while now but it's hard to tell since I don't really hang out in record stores like I used to. At some point just by judging things online they seem to be popular among younger prog fans and probably younger fans in general. I would be willing to bet that if you went to a KC show these days there would be a lot more younger people(say under 35) there than at a Yes show. Last time I saw Yes(the ARW version) it was almost like going to an AARP convention. Unless you are talking about hardcore prog fans Yes just doesn't seem to have many younger fans(for whatever reason). Also, I've noticed that that the number of "likes" for KC's facebook page is growing rapidly while the one for Yes is declining(as in people are clicking unlike for the band Yes). I wouldn't be too surprised if at some point KC's over all popularity exceeds Yes since they seem to be on the way to doing that already(maybe it's already happened. Who knows.).


Posted By: Jaketejas
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 19:33
This is difficult, because some of these bands had a revolving door of different artists, while others stuck it out together for long periods of time. Some stayed great friends until the end and others ended up hating each other. Some had members that ended up doing themselves harm or even taking their own lives. So, it depends on how you define success and what you value. Probably the most stable band that had their priorities in order and consistently put out high quality music for the longest time, ended up enjoying each other’s company after their great run, and who didn’t let it all go to their heads, and had supportive families ... that band, in my view, is the most successful. I’m sure you can guess who I’m talking about. Take off!


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 09 2020 at 20:48
Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

This is difficult, because some of these bands had a revolving door of different artists, while others stuck it out together for long periods of time. Some stayed great friends until the end and others ended up hating each other. Some had members that ended up doing themselves harm or even taking their own lives. So, it depends on how you define success and what you value. Probably the most stable band that had their priorities in order and consistently put out high quality music for the longest time, ended up enjoying each other’s company after their great run, and who didn’t let it all go to their heads, and had supportive families ... that band, in my view, is the most successful. I’m sure you can guess who I’m talking about. Take off!

It's......"Take off eh!"

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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: August 10 2020 at 01:36
Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Spacegod87 Spacegod87 wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

I think I've only heard KC in a public place 5 times

I guess I just meant the amount of people I've spoken to irl who now know of KC (well, ITCOTCK anyway) because of anime or Kanye. It's building up. 

Also weird hearing Starless at the beginning of the movie 'Mandy' as well.
I also reckon that Fripp is becoming meme-worthy in the realm of anime.

I can't really disagree with that. King Crimson is starting to get this big hipster following or something. Actually they have probably had it for a while now but it's hard to tell since I don't really hang out in record stores like I used to. At some point just by judging things online they seem to be popular among younger prog fans and probably younger fans in general. I would be willing to bet that if you went to a KC show these days there would be a lot more younger people(say under 35) there than at a Yes show. Last time I saw Yes(the ARW version) it was almost like going to an AARP convention. Unless you are talking about hardcore prog fans Yes just doesn't seem to have many younger fans(for whatever reason). Also, I've noticed that that the number of "likes" for KC's facebook page is growing rapidly while the one for Yes is declining(as in people are clicking unlike for the band Yes). I wouldn't be too surprised if at some point KC's over all popularity exceeds Yes since they seem to be on the way to doing that already(maybe it's already happened. Who knows.).

If I had to posit a guess:
KC's popularity has increased because their music is now on streaming services. It's certainly why I've been listening to their albums from the 80s onwards, whereas previously, I had not.

Yes's popularity is decreasing because the official "Yes" is barely Yes anymore. Sure, they've had their fair share of line-up changes, but having Jon Davison (who is ok but not amazing or anything) front a bunch of geezers is not exciting. I saw them in Reno in 2017, and was unimpressed. In a sad way honestly. White had been injured recently and only played for some of the show. Howe can't play like he used to. Downes is one the worse keyboard players they've had, so having him on board isn't anything to be amazed by. The best one in the bunch was probably Billy Sherwood honestly. ARW are doing much better at carrying the Yes torch in my opinion, and they even keep the fan pool wide by playing stuff from the 70s to early 90s. Saw them at the Greek in LA in 2018, and it was a pretty fun show. Either way, at 19 and 20 years old respectively at each concert, I was one of the youngest people there.

KC has been an improv band since the mid-70s. While they've also been a revolving door of musicians, Fripp's music lends itself to flexibility. So having fresh younger members mixed in with the old guard helps a lot. Yes are a little bit stuck in tradition. So not only are KC gaining new fans, but Yes seems to be losing even old ones.


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 10 2020 at 04:46
Pink Floyd for sure.


Posted By: FatherChristmas
Date Posted: August 11 2020 at 05:03
Interestingly, those who have posted on this thread have generally agreed on KC and Yes, but, despite having the most votes, Pink Floyd has not been mentioned much in the discussion. Which implies most people who voted Pink Floyd (not necessarily you, King of Loss)  only glanced at the options then voted and left, rather than reading the OP thoroughly and then posting - if someone has posted, it probably means they've had a proper look at the OP. Perhaps that's biased of me because I always look at the OP thoroughly before posting, but it would seem the logical thing to do. No offence intended to Pink Floyd voters, I could be very wrong.

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Posted By: Lieutenant_Lan
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 20:47
Pink Floyd, Duh.


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: February 25 2021 at 21:19
Gotta be ELP by the OP's criteria.
Much maligned but loved deeply by their fans, they were a force to be reckoned with. Innovators that were unmatched, and it was ELP all the music all the time.

But to quote Tyrell:
"The light that burns twice as
bright burns half as long.  And
you have burned so very, very
brightly"


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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: February 26 2021 at 05:11
Rush


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: February 26 2021 at 05:37
My heart wants me too vote for Yes But my brain says
Pink Floyd but below is my own ratings


Yes>Genesis>King Crimson>Floyd> ELP>Rush

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Posted By: nick_h_nz
Date Posted: February 26 2021 at 06:00
 
Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Interestingly, those who have posted on this thread have generally agreed on KC and Yes, but, despite having the most votes, Pink Floyd has not been mentioned much in the discussion. Which implies most people who voted Pink Floyd (not necessarily you, King of Loss)  only glanced at the options then voted and left, rather than reading the OP thoroughly and then posting - if someone has posted, it probably means they've had a proper look at the OP. Perhaps that's biased of me because I always look at the OP thoroughly before posting, but it would seem the logical thing to do. No offence intended to Pink Floyd voters, I could be very wrong.

You would be wrong in my case, though I obviously can’t speak for any other who voted for Floyd.

While, without reading the OP, the answer is clearly Floyd, in my opinion the answer doesn’t change for me, when it comes to influence (ie what the OP asks, as opposed to what the poll migh otherwise imply).

KC is undoubtedly influential, and I can understand why they get the votes, but I don’t think they are anywhere near as influential as Floyd, Genesis or Rush. Krimson is more influential, only if you stay with prog spheres, in my opinion. Because of a more mainstream and commercial appeal, Floyd, Genesis and Rush have been influential both within and outside prog.

Without thinking about it too much, I would say the order of overall influence is along the order of Floyd > Rush > Genesis > Krimson > Yes > ELP (which, just in case you are thinking it, does not at all match my personal order of favourites).



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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 26 2021 at 23:32
Where's Tull?

Didn't JT influence Rush or is this article below "fake news"!?

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/rush-geddy-lee-favourite-live-band-jethro-tull/" rel="nofollow - https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/rush-geddy-lee-favourite-live-band-jethro-tull/


Posted By: A Crimson Mellotron
Date Posted: February 27 2021 at 00:55
No doubt it was Floyd.



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