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mathman0806
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My top 3 in order of appearance. I couldn’t really
distinguish a first, second, and third: Exuma – Exuma, the Obeah Man: This was great. I enjoyed the
native feel of it with the earthy vocals. A contender. Metá Metá – Logun: I am really liking this band. I added as
much as I could from Amazon onto my cloud. From last week’s instrumental track
to this week’s with vocals. The layers and textures really draw me in. The horns and effects on this track give it a
cinematic feel. Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé: This song
weaved in and out and wrapped around me. I like the distinct elements that came
up over the backing rhythms. The tribal sounds and deep in the jungle
exploration groove worked for me. Also, preferred the whole side with the
concluding flute part. The rest: Francesco Guccini – Scirocco: I liked this. It was one that ‘grew’
on me after a repeated listen as it’s not my personal style. Stuck with me more
than the Guccini track that was posted in an earlier poll. Djavan (w/ Manhattan Transfer) – Capim: Nice track but just
a bit too laid back for me. Inti Illumani – A La Caza del Ñandù: Nice. An early contender.
I like the mix of the wind and string instruments. Tribe of Gypsies – Admit It: Solid rock tune. Felt a little ‘slick’. Carlos Reyes – Niko’s Rumba: This was fun. You can see the
joy and enthusiasm in Reyes’s performance. Kronos Quartet and Astor Piazzola – Five Tango Sensations:
Anxiety: my selection Hauser Orkater – Dichtgervroren Vijver. I let this run long
and got the feeling that this is a part that is best experienced in the context
of the whole album. Will try to give the whole album a listen later. Working Week – Venceremos: Cool jazzy feel. I went to look
for this off Amazon and they didn’t have the album track. Instead, I came
across the Jazz Dance 12” version with vocals by Tracey Thorn (Everything But
the Girl) and Robert Wyatt, which I really liked, maybe more than the album
version. Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto – O Grande Amor: Peaceful. Suits
this Sunday morning as I type this, but didn’t make it up to my contenders. Chicoria Sánchez – Tonada por Despedida: Liked this and the
great playing. Didn’t make my top 3 but worthy listen. Alexandre Klinke – Lugar: I like the rhythms and the guitar lines.
Kind of trance-inducing. This I like but not quite to make the top 3. Rodrigo y Gabriela – Hanuman: Fun video and they are definitely
rockers in disguise of two acoustic guitars. Good track but didn’t make my top 3. Doug Sahm – Mendocino: I have heard Doug Sahm (and Sir
Douglas Quintet) but never really listened before. I like this and would have
it on my road trip playlist. And bonus vids: As I mentioned, I liked the 12” of the Working Week track: Also, I realized (forgotten) that I have a few third wave
ska albums that I got back in 90’s. Usual bands that had hits such as No Doubt, the
Mighty Mighty Bosstones, and Sublime. Since ska didn’t get represented this time, I have
one from the Pietasters. Edited by mathman0806 - June 28 2020 at 06:04 |
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Lewian
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It's awesome indeed! I was planning to post a song from this out of the competition, but later with much voting already done. I wasn't able to pick a sing from it for the competition either because I somehow felt that the album works as a whole rather than through a single song.
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Lewian
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I've actually got to say that normally I find this kind of music too smooth as well. Yet the first Working Week album is one of these albums that show that if a band does any style of music really really well, and be it one I wouldn't normally gravitate to, it can still be a great album that I really love.
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moshkito
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Hi,
Mine is an album ... because it is so diverse, and has some classical and jazz'y things in it ... EGBERTO GISMONTI -- NO CAIPIRA "Songs" are not what I listen to in general, but this guy, in the 60's and 70's was the best guitar player around, and some of the things he did, most could not even conceive of it. This particular album, is "classical" compared to his solo guitar albums and his albums with Charlie Haden and Jan Garbarek. And, it is truly "progressive" specially at the time it came out ... when no one had ever heard anything like it! But then, "progressive" has never been "ahead" of its time, has it?
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Cristi
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the chosen three
Francesco Guccini - Scirocco (Sirocco) Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim Working Week - Vinceremos (7'' Edit)
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Logan
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Well noticed. I listen to the album as a whole and then one does not have the aprubtness. On the album it does not stop abruptly, but in fact the percussion continues and leads into the next part. It's a double album and each is better listened to in its entirety. Side A is called Terra and ha the designations Trilha de Sumé (6:30), Culto a terra (2:11), Bailado das muscarias (4:34). Side B is Air and also three sections, Side C is Fogo, and Side D is Água. To hear how the transition works (it starts with Trilha de Sume). It does work much better in the context of the album -- an album that I've seen described as better than the sum of its parts. |
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Snicolette
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Oh, thank you, Lorenzo. I kind of have a liking of unusual instruments, now I just learned a new one!
I had heard that sort of description of tango vs salsa, as in the more adult passionate framework. I knew a lot of dancers at one time, mostly Middle Eastern, Flamenco and Gitana style dance, some had come from more structured dance backgrounds, ballet, etc. It is truly passionate in a much deeper sense than sheer flashy energy, the same that people can learn to love more deeply with time taken and passionate nights really begin with what occurs between people throughout the day. The technical aspects of the dance are very interesting, from your description, one must be able to execute it with more skill and finesse, than some of the other Latin dances. You obviously have a very technical mind, which shows also in your writing of music. This also comes through with your ability to separate how to approach an evaluation of a piece of music, from the standpoint of "critic," recognizing the sophistication and quality of a piece or a dislike because of a style used and even concluding that it is you that is at fault for that. That, I find, is very hard to separate from, so I appreciate your attempt and also your self-examination.
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jamesbaldwin
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It is the bandoneon, a sort of Argentine accordion. The sound of this instrument is, more than any other instrument, the one that gives the sound and mood to the tango. I have danced tango for years, as an amateur, and I assure you that it is a very technical, difficult dance, the first few months you do not have much fun, you are too busy respecting posture and steps, and many of those who had tried, before dancing tango, salsa and bachata or other Caribbean dances said that tango was very difficult and gave little satisfaction in the beginning. Think: generally when you dance, the man usually uses the arms to move the woman, but when you dance tango the man never uses the strength of the arms to move the woman: the man only shifts his weight, or rotates the pelvis asynchronously with respect to the axis of the body, and only by these small gestures does the woman react with a move that restores the weight of the couple in balance, until the man still shifts the weight etc. I said to my female friends who loved salsa and bachata that these are dances as teenagers, cheerful, extroverted, carefree, where love and physical contact are sought explicitly, with fun. Tango, on the other hand, is an adult dance, where love is something that is reached only after having suffered a little, and seduction is an elegant, never explicit seduction, made of small gestures, the passion that the tango expresses is very more intense than that of salsa and bachata precisely because it is less explicit, it is introverted, and so every slight movement and gaze is full of passion. And this mood of passion, seduction combined with a concept of suffered love, which creates a melancholy, is given supremely by the bandoneon, which with its sound expresses all this feelings. Here Juan Joeè Mosalini, who plays in the Guccini's song, on the bandoneon: |
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The Anders
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Lula Cortes & Ze Ramalho - Trilha De Sume ends very abruptly. I suppose it is because it crossfades into another song on the album it is taken from?
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The Dark Elf
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Yeah, I argued long and passionately...5 years ago. Waste of time. Perhaps I should have used a more monosyllabic, pedestrian approach, as the larger words seemed to have gotten lost in translation.
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jamesbaldwin
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Third step
10) Working Week. Very relaxing song. On the beach, with a drink in hand, and a girl to approach... or maybe in a disco at night, a disco on the beach. It recalls Sade to me. Relaxed and relaxing song, easy listening, pleasent. But too smooth for my taste. 11) Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto - a bossanova jazz, with the sax in the foreground. Ok, and now there is a problem. I like almost every kind of music, and when I want to evaluate a song I try to be a judge who does not take into account his tastes, that is, the music he listens to more easily, with more pleasure, but here in these topics precisely to avoid problems (which Logan often remembers) between what is "BEST" and what we "LIKE", that is "OUR FAVORITE", from the beginning I decided, as rule, to choose the favorite songs, that is to choose what you want, also based on the mood of the moment. Now, so what's the problem? the problem is that if I wanted to be a judge, that is, the music critic, this song would probably aspire to the podium, perhaps not really to the podium but it would be close, because I recognize that it is sophisticated, and I realize its qualities. But since we can choose our favorites here, this song has a problem with me: I cant stand the Brazilian SAUDADE, the melancholy of Portuguese origin with his shuffling and lamentable mood. This song does not have much saudade, because the saudade is heard above all with the singing associated with the rhythm, and here the vocals are few and the rhythm is delicate but ... in short, something saudade has it and it makes me indigestible. Do you know The Big Lebowsky? When The Dude telling the taxi driver he can't stand the Eagles? Here, I can't stand the Brazilian saudade. It is my limitation, my fault. Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 27 2020 at 17:30 |
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The Anders
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Meta Meta - Logun One word: Wow. This is really interesting. I didn't know the band, but I will have to check them out more.
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Logan
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Well, just think, if it was in PA's database, then his name wouldn't have been appropriate for this poll. Silver linings, man. Sometimes it's down to the music, or the individuals and teams evaluating it, sometimes it's down to poorly made suggestion threads, sometimes neglected suggestion threads, and sometimes it's because no one suggested it. A well put together suggestion thread can go a long way. I don't recall his evaluation, sort of seem to, so no comment on any specifics.
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The Dark Elf
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Another group that should be on PA...Rodrigo Y Gabriela. The decision making around here is silly.
Something a little less Latino. Perhaps you've heard of it: |
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Machinemessiah
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My assesments so far: (may edit slightly; my votings in another post; loosely named the entries). In bold my finalists. *Francesco Guccini - Scirocco (Sirocco); nice, like it. Genuine stuff. Beautiful italian singing. I don't remember having listened to a tango in italian. Expressive cadences there, beautifully sang. *Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim; you pretty much got me with the elegant jazz factor. *Inti Illimani - A la Caza del Ñandú; well done Raff, you played it safe there Tribe of Gypsyes - Admit it; great! fulfils very well the commission, it sounds great, though the singing doesn't suit me. Carlos Reyes - Niko's Rumba; great, fulfils the commission stupendously.. not a great fan of the violin though.. I just made the association with your avatar about the harp. In Chile the harp has an important place, in the national dance by the way, la "Cueca". And I understand the Chilean harp is a modified version of the harp used in classical contexts. *Kronos Quartet & A.P. - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety; like it;
Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren Vijver; i Meta Meta - Logun; yeah.. good, interesting.. maybe not my cup of tea, but good. May grow with more listens.
Exuma - Exuma, the Obeah Man; can't figure out what everyone sees in it... even the cover art freaks me a little. the voice.. doesn't do it for me. Fairly plain.. without changes. It conveys some jungle feeling though.. perhaps with some dope.. don't know, I'm always evaluating sober hehe.
*Working Week - Venceremos (7'' Edit); yeah, like the instruments at the beginning.. and the voice and singing. The atmosphere. The jazz and cool ambient components call me : ) great blend. *Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor; yeah.. coolness.. the jazz / bossanova factor.. quiet. Played it safe there. Like it. Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida; my entry. Alexandre Klinke - Lugar; yeah, ultra modernist stuff.. not what makes me confortable.. Rodrigo y Gabriela - Hanuman; not my thing. Doug Sahm - Medocino; Nice! fun stuff.. Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé; Adventurous stuff.. well played. It sympathizes me. Though the voice and singing style kind of break the great atmosphere for me. Edited by Machinemessiah - June 30 2020 at 22:19 |
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an interesting round, not my usual listens definitely, needs more listening, I will list my top 3 tomorrow.
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jamesbaldwin
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Well, in this case, the forumists should choose two songs and wait that sombedy expresses their opinion about them. It's a chance we can follow, but in a free way. Maybe not everyone wants to post two songs, or not everyone wants to be influenced by the opinions of some forum player. Anyway, when a person organizes a poll, he is free to put his rules in addition to the basic ones (non-prog songs, three votes) , for example he is free to put a theme or not. So, Micky, when you do another poll you colud propose to the participants not to immediately insert a song among those to vote, you can do it, maybe many of us are interested in posting two songs and see which one the participants like the most, in order to propose the one for the vote. |
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In regards to the "happiness" of the "Capim" track:
I was going to post the original which is with Djavan alone with his band, but I felt it was too bright and happy which is why I went with the Manhattan Transfer version, the sort-of hazy feel they bring to the vocals tones down the brightness of the original, but I guess even that wasn't enough. However, MT's style is usually bright and upbeat jazz, that is the style of the vocalese groups I suppose (the same applies for "New York Voices"). I agree, their sound took some getting used to for me too, for exactly the same reason, it sounded too happy. I usually like the darker sounding stuff, or things so happy that they sound like they could go off the rails in insanity at any time. Anyway, I have grown to appreciate the happiness that MT seems to generate, but it is one of the few that I can tolerate, strangely enough.
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Logan
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Okay, first listen:
Francesco Guccini - Scirocco: I like this and as I have quite an Italian collection it makes me think I should have been thinking of music from Italy (maybe some spaghetti western music). Neat to see that Vince Tempera plays on it, as I am a fan of his. He's been involved in so much great music. Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim: I enjoyed this. I like a lot of laid back music, but I guess the consistent cheerfulness makes it seem rather superficial/ vacuous to me. Life is suffering, get with the program! With more contrast and variation, it would have been more appealing. Bouncy in its way, but I would like a little more cojones, bouncy or not, but meaty. Inti Illimani - A La Caza del Nandù: I definitely like it, but right now I am looking for the cojones. Tribe of Gypsies - Admit It: Remids me a bit too much of boy band music. Slick, not really for me. Gimme something a little more edgy, unique, and maybe raunchy. Well, I don't know what the song is about. Carlos Reyes - Niko's Rumba. I know him, if not that tune, but it just seems too safe and mainstream for me right now. Enjoyable, but not what I'm into today. Kronos Quartet & APiazzolla - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety: A bit of anxiety sounds like just what I need. I do already love lots of Kronos Quartet Music. I want to be put on edge right now. I do like that very much, and that is a contender. Exuma - Exuma, the Obeah Man: Now this is one I've known very well for a decade or so. I have Exuma's first two albums and have listened to them many times over the years. While It would definitely be a contender, due to my very abundant familiarity I may end up discounting it in my voting. I'll stop there for now, and continue this later. By the way, I hadn't known that instrumentals would be included as "songs". Perhaps to avoid confusion, when both instrumentals and one with vocals (songs) are included, we might ask for tracks/pieces of music or some such terms. I know some use the word "song" in a more general way than others. EDIT: Now continuing with the selections: Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren Vijver (1979): Dutch, now that's thinking out of the box and into the Dutch Oven. I really liked this and it will be a strong contender. Meta Meta - Logun: Yes, yes, yes! I am quite confident that this will be my winner. I loved that. It's everything I was hoping for du jour and more. Gets a clappy and a bold stamp of approval from me. It's gettin' spicy. Working Week - Vinceremos: Very much in my wheelhouse, and reminiscent of music I've been very into the last few months. I like it. It's a contender. It almost feels a little too familiar to me and a little safe per my tastes,and that it safely falls into what I have been into. Still, different enough. Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor: I really like and it sounds very familiar to me. I know Stan Getz. Much as I enjoy it, it might be just a little safe for me right now. Hoping for something really surrealistic, or even horrific, right now. Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida: I love that guitar. Feel stupid not to have realised that songs could refer to pieces without singing, but now I see that people define it differently from me. Again, I love the guitar and fully enjoyed that. It's a contender. Alexandre Klinke - Lugar: That failymotion vid wasn't working for me, but is easily found on youtube. I really liked this and it is a contender. It is different enough from the other choices to stand out. On the negative side, he now lives in Vancouver and I feel that no one should live in Vancouver (well, me and my family get a pass). Nice city, beautiful scenery, but it could do without the people. ;) Just kidding, the restaurants and pubs would be less fun if I had to serve myself. Rodrigo y Gabriela - Hanuman. Good stuff, but I don't like them mocking Gary Numan with the title, as in Ha-Ha Numan, may the Tubeway Army blow up your Cars. Good piece, but I have little to say as is evident. They look every metal in performance style in the video. All part of the set and fun of the video. Doug Sahm - Medocino: Nice to hear some Tex-Mex. A contender for the sheer fun of it. Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé - my selection, so no comment and out of my contention, of course. Hope I didn't miss any. Wll need another spin at least to decide based on these, and not sure if more are going to be added. I;m confident that Meta Meta will be there, and probably the Kronos Quartet. Exuma would be if I didn't know it so well already. By the way, there's another track I thought of when I saw this poll, but I wondered if it fit enough at the time. Confident it would have. Not changing it, but I forgot that I had been planning to go with this one. I found this so beautiful. I'm happy to have gone with something more unusual though. Edited by Logan - June 27 2020 at 16:02 |
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Snicolette
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Yes, Logan, those two are head to head with each other (Exuma and Lula) in my mind, they are a similar type to my ear. Which do I prefer? And does it make top 3? I have yet to decide.
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