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Watched these earlier; fun.







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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Who gives a f**king toss? If it's punk or punk related to you, or not, then why give a sh*t what f**king wikipedia or any other sh*t thinks? I wouldn't wipe my arse with sh*tipedia.com.

EDIT: I hope people relise this is me putting my inner punk on -- still needs some work. I've been listening to John Lydon interviews.

indeed, who gives a f**king toss? alas, the prog archives do. I have argued several times that The Stranglers are a prog band
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I've always been partial to the Pogues. Always fun to count the f-bombs you can tally from Shane MacGowan's drunken slur...
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

hahah.. love it Greg.. I haven't seen so many forum edits from a post from you since you were a proud member of the AR goon squad and next to David my most feared forum Capo...

Jean... I'll take what Greg said and unpunk it.. and let's in the spirit of the forum... prog it up a bit.   Forget Wiki...  we evaluate music here.. it comes with that higher musical ID we supposedly have.  Put into words.. your wordswhy you don't think they fit into the punk camp...  and while at it... see if they could apply to my prog extension. Yes v. Aerosmith.. both rock..  completely different in pretty much every other sense.  Punk has a stereotype..  sure.. but as I pointed out.. they are have far more in common with Punk than areas they do not.  They are in that way much like the Clash...  only a musical simpleton would say that .. well they have keyboads and thus can't be a punk band.

and you are no simpleton...  come on...  use that impressive brain of yours and leave the Wiki sh*t.. even the owrds of the band. both worthless.. behind.

edit.. for what it is worth.. I supported and fought for their addition here but lost the vote on that.  they belonged here musically.. not because they were or were not punk.  Punk was never really about the music now was it.. thus one can't say one is punk for not sounding 'punk'.

I have explained it many times. The Stranglers often use real polyphony in their music, a highly advanced compositional technique that is rare among prog artists even. any rock music that is so sophisticated is definitely progressive rock to me


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hahah.. love it Greg.. I haven't seen so many forum edits from a post from you since you were a proud member of the AR goon squad and next to David my most feared forum Capo...

Jean... I'll take what Greg said and unpunk it.. and let's in the spirit of the forum... prog it up a bit.   Forget Wiki...  we evaluate music here.. it comes with that higher musical ID we supposedly have.  Put into words.. your wordswhy you don't think they fit into the punk camp...  and while at it... see if they could apply to my prog extension. Yes v. Aerosmith.. both rock..  completely different in pretty much every other sense.  Punk has a stereotype..  sure.. but as I pointed out.. they are have far more in common with Punk than areas they do not.  They are in that way much like the Clash...  only a musical simpleton would say that .. well they have keyboads and thus can't be a punk band.

and you are no simpleton...  come on...  use that impressive brain of yours and leave the Wiki sh*t.. even the owrds of the band. both worthless.. behind.

edit.. for what it is worth.. I supported and fought for their addition here but lost the vote on that.  they belonged here musically.. not because they were or were not punk.  Punk was never really about the music now was it.. thus one can't say one is punk for not sounding 'punk'.


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

you know.. I seen and read the same and to be honest think it is a big steaming pile of sh*t. Of course they thought themselves more than kids that could barely play their instruments but one must ask themself.

Is prog not rock because it is more technical.. artistically inclined.. no it is not.

The Stranglers were far more than the usual Punk band just as .. umm... Yes was to say.. Aerosmith...

but to say they were not a punk band ignores just how much they were.. umm... punk rock at its core ethos.  A giant heaping of the f**k you mentallity... a big side of misoginy...biting social and poltical commentary.. and above all..  a stark calculation to promoteshock and outrage.  

Oh they were Punk... 

I'd like to quote from the Wikipedia article about The Stranglers to support Friede:

Formed as the Guildford Stranglers on 11 September 1974 in Guildford, Surrey, they originally built a following within the mid-1970s pub rock scene. While their aggressive, no-compromise attitude had them identified by the media with the emerging UK punk rock scene that followed, their idiosyncratic approach rarely followed any single musical genre, and the group went on to explore a variety of musical styles, from new wave, art rock and gothic rock through the sophisti-pop of some of their 1980s output.


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The Clash...another punk band, like the Stranglers, that doesn't fit the stereotype but was undeniably punk regardless of what they thought of themselves..  even if they could play their instruments, write good songs and had artistic aspirations over and above living up to the PR mage and OD'ing a few times, being a drunk the rest of the time,  Getting tossed into the City Hilton a few times getting off on losing a few teeth in the local pub , tossing pussy prog fans (mostly Genesis fan) through the bar front window and ending the high evening on a high note and playing the filling of an Oreo sandwich of two drunk broads who'll make you howl.. but ending pissing in your bed after they pass out .. hah...
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I love Television. The extended guitar solo in "Marquee Moon" remains one of my favourite guitar solos and still gives me goosebumps.

In Denmark the most influential punk band was Sods who released their debut album Minutes To Go in 1979:


They quickly moved away from punk proper on their second album after which they changed their name to Sort Sol:


They would receive more success as Sort Sol, and they became a kind of institution in Danish rock music eventually. Their breakthrough album from 1991 had songs that sound like this:
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I will also like to give a shout to the band Midnight Oil for also providing a very creative blend of flavours in their punk compot.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hjd9sjLFUOw

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some artsier "undeniable punks":

Other than that, I generally tend to lean towards the "kinda not punk" genres like post-punk, post-hardcore, more progressive or metallic punk subgenres.


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Right before you get into full-on post-hardcore, you have some bands that were reaching towards post-hardcore that are still in the "undeniably punk" camp:



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I'm not too keen on traditional punk. I like The Damned's Machine Gun Etiquette, though that's still not quite typical traditional punk:

Also, Television, but I don't consider them straight punk either.

As far as stuff which is undeniably punk, I am more sympathetic to hardcore punk:


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Hi,

I just saw the film THE DECLINE OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION ... and wow ... my definition of punk just went out the door, into insanity ... even Iggy wasn't punk if that's the idea!

But some of that stuff is insane ... but yeah ... that's LA for you at one of its worst times!
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you know.. I seen and read the same and to be honest think it is a big steaming pile of sh*t. Of course they thought themselves more than kids that could barely play their instruments but one must ask themself.

Is prog not rock because it is more technical.. artistically inclined.. no it is not.

The Stranglers were far more than the usual Punk band just as .. umm... Yes was to say.. Aerosmith...

but to say they were not a punk band ignores just how much they were.. umm... punk rock at its core ethos.  A giant heaping of the f**k you mentallity... a big side of misoginy...biting social and poltical commentary.. and above all..  a stark calculation to promoteshock and outrage.  

Oh they were Punk... 
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Strangly this thread is made after a pioneer in keyboard based art punk Dave Greenfield of the Stranglers just died batteling Covid-19. So now iblistening to amazing Raven by the Stranglers.


we're running through all their albums this evening...  we are both huge fans of the group.. 

but yeah.. the Raven absolutely f**king rules...

They were always the proggiest of the first-wave UK punk bands. Though really I think of them more as The Doors of punk.

The Stranglers never were punk; they only sailed under that flag. They said so themselves in several interviews.


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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Strangly this thread is made after a pioneer in keyboard based art punk Dave Greenfield of the Stranglers just died batteling Covid-19. So now iblistening to amazing Raven by the Stranglers.


we're running through all their albums this evening...  we are both huge fans of the group.. 

but yeah.. the Raven absolutely f**king rules...

They were always the proggiest of the first-wave UK punk bands. Though really I think of them more as The Doors of punk.
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Jaz Coleman is totally bonkers, but this is one great live video!
...and then these...


PS: What I'm posting is of course  post punk. The clue is in the verb.


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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

Strangly this thread is made after a pioneer in keyboard based art punk Dave Greenfield of the Stranglers just died batteling Covid-19. So now iblistening to amazing Raven by the Stranglers.

we're running through all their albums this evening...  we are both huge fans of the group.. 

but yeah.. the Raven absolutely f**king rules...
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Some proof that there is prog punk:














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Linux is not Unix and post punk is not punk. Anyway, here we are. (Sorry, of the best I've got to play three, see Barbara Morgenstern.)


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