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Hugh Manatee
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How very munificent and postmodern of you.
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nick_h_nz
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I prefer Momentary Lapse of Reason over Dark Side of the Moon. 🤷🏻♂️
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Psychedelic Paul
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If I really did prefer A Momentary Lapse of Reason to the iconic Dark Side of the Moon album, then that would be a serious cause for concern.
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richardh
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Not sure about the gateway to prog but more to AOR I think. It did well because people couldn't be bothered with long tracks and it looked nice on the coffee table.
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Hugh Manatee
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Hmmm...I don't know about that. DSotM is waaaayyyyy more lyrically accessible for the kiddies than CttE. What kid these days wants to have their livers rearranged to the solid mental grace after all? The kids these days just don't know what's good for them. Edited by Hugh Manatee - July 24 2022 at 19:50 |
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Hugh Manatee
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And here I was thinking it was "Momentary Lapse of Reason". You really do manage to find a special place in your heart for the runts of any particular bands litter. Edited by Hugh Manatee - July 24 2022 at 19:47 |
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Dellinger
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Indeed Dark Side is great, but I myself am among those who prefer Wish. I guess most on Prog Archives do, because it is rated higher. As for The Division Bell, indeed I like it over Dark Side too, but not over Wish you Were Here. Second for me would actually be Animals, though. |
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Psychedelic Paul
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^ I gave away Animals and The Final Cut to a charity shop and I've regretted it ever since. Luckily (or unluckily for some), I managed to buy another copy of The Final Cut recently, but Pigs might fly before I ever find the Animals album on sale at a charity shop again.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I think he was being sarcastic.
I don't listen to the album very often due to the fact that much of it has been played to death by fm radio. I like it but don't have the need to play it more than once every few years or so. If it serves as the number one gateway album for younger people to discover and get into prog then I think that's a good thing but to be honest I think Close To The Edge should serve that purpose (after all CTTE is number one on PA). ;) Anyway, my favorite PF albums are wish you were here, atom heart mother and meddle. Animals is good too and I also have a soft spot for the Wall.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Yes, but some would say Wish You Were Here is better, and personally speaking, I prefer The Division Bell.
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chopper
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Good work. Sadly, as has been the case with other threads where Mosh has been proved wrong, he probably won't return to this one now.
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SteveG
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Dark Side Of The Moon? Never heard of it. Is it any good?
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The Dark Elf
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Hi, Again, you are wrong. You have no proof, because none exists. Syd never sang on this song, nor was his voice used. Never. No Syd. Ever. The provenance of the piece is quite extensive. It was written and used without Clare Torry's voice no earlier than 1972 (first recorded June, 1972). The original title was variously "The Morality Sequence" or "The Religious Song" and was a short organ instrumental. It was switched to a fuller piano piece as of September, 1972. No Syd. Not once. In fact, there were never any lyrics for the tune and the decision to add singing over the piece was not decided until the album was nearly finished in February, 1973. But you want to call the composer, Richard Wright, a liar. I suggest you stop now before you embarrass yourself further.
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progaardvark
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Here are some Pink Floyd bootleg databases: Your homework is to use these resources and find us the bootlegs that show that Syd Barrett sang on The Great Gig in the Sky.
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moshkito
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Hi, The DSOTM, SOYCD, and TW were too mechanically controlled for the light show and the presentation, which took away the free form moments that the earlier days BEFORE DSOTM had given us. In the early stuff, the Great Gig in the Sky, was Syd playing the part of delivering a sermon ... and of course there are many of his bits all over the boots as well! As much as all of us love what Clare Torry did, the album would make better sense with Syd's stuff, though I doubt that it would have made such an incredible impact as the recording eventually made.
Hi, Believe whatever you wish ... but at a time, I had some 20 bootlegs BEFORE Dark Side of the Moon, so if you want to deceive your fans, because Mosh said something, go ahead ... you are just as full of it as all of us, specially when you have nothing better to do than doubt someone's words. If I could, show you the examples, I would gladly do so, but the LP's of the boots are no longer here ... they are long gone ... and seeing some of them showing is kinda cool ... but obviously you are so commercially struck that nothing can be done at all, without your permission and words! Edited by moshkito - July 23 2022 at 06:36 |
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The Dark Elf
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I just noticed this. You are in error. Making cr*p up as you go, per usual. "The Great Gig in the Sky" had nothing to do with Syd, Syd's voice was never on it, and it was composed in 1972, well after Syd was a memory in the band. "Great Gig in the Sky? It was just me playing in the studio, playing some chords, and probably Dave or Roger saying 'Hmm… that sounds nice. Maybe we could use that for this part of the album.' And then, me going away and trying to develop it. So then I wrote the music for that, and then there was a middle bit, with Clare Torry singing, that fantastic voice. We wanted something for that bit, and she came in and sang on it." -- Richard Wright |
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Psychedelic Paul
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It's been awhile since I posted a tribute to Pink Floyd here, but you know how it is when you're having fun.....
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Catcher10
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Yes, they added I think 12 shows?? Anyhow its a good discussion on SHF site, so far about 8 pages worth. There are so many boots out there of the Floyd, the San Diego one I remember hearing many many years ago. I think some of these are audience recordings, quality is highly suspect. And now they are all copyrighted to Pink Floyd Music 2021....band might as well make money on the boots.
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moshkito
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Hi, Syd's ability is in his incredible story telling, which would/should have been compared to Lewis Carroll and other examples. The main issue with that kind of writing, is that YOU MUST NOT FIT IT TO A SONG FORMAT ... because the story itself is the "song" and the effects and formats for most rock/pop songs, do not fit a really good story telling ability. Examples that also show this quality? Easy. Frank Zappa and Ian Anderson. What PF did in those early days, was not "create a song" in the regular formats, but "illustrate" and "color" the lyrics and their story the best they could, and as such, each of Syd's songs became a monster of imagination and liveliness, something that was not exactly the "norm" in pop music, where the story telling is so bad and so poor that you would get a D or a F in school for it! It's hard to think that Syd's 2 huge songs where he allowed himself to trip off is the beginning of the "space rock" thing ... why? It was not a secret that Syd's favorite guitarist was Jimi Hendrix, and it would be very much like Sys's thoughts and ideas to come up with something where he could show his Jimi side, and in those 2 pieces he does. THAT it became "supposedly" the start of "space rock" is kinda weird and strange, because a lot of it was also heard on a Rolling Stones album, though it was never considered that because of the lyrics and singing by Mick. I think it became "convenient" to just consider it "space rock", because of the titles. If you had named the song anything else but with a word that mentioned space ... like Jane's Lament, or John's Dream ... anything stupid, you would not be saying that anymore than I would. But in two examples, Syd glorified his favorite guitarist. One last note, that shows more about the story telling and no song routines. It's in Robert Wyatt's book, and something that everyone here hates and ignores with a ton of bricks ... they are recording some stuff on one of Syd's albums, and a well known guitar player sides up to Robert and asks what chord is SYD playing? What notes? ... And the reply? HE DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE CHORDS. HE JUST PLAYS! In other words it was the sounds that helped him tell the story ... not the notes or chords! And this is something that musicians fear the most ... that their "playing" is not visible or understood! Geeee, I wonder why! No story to tell, other than the same chords and notes sequencing! NOTE: (AND most important) A lot of this fits at a time, when people were allowed to explore and learn from their art. Nowadays, with the commercial controls, few even try, and none of them will get attention anywhere like Syd did then, and this is something that we are incapable of accepting in our minds ... how can someone do something that is so "anti-art" with its over enthused idea about how it has to be controlled and about the "mental" process, and not "intuitive" as it has been shown many times, that it works and can happen? We're afraid of the dragons in the next door! (The Bardo) ... in other words, what we don't "know". But Syd knew his stories and could tell them to his friends, and they were able to create some far out music out of these stories.
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moshkito
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Hi, I've been talking about those bootlegs for years, and how they tell a very different story about PF that most are not interested in ... specially how the sound effect vignettes, many years later became THE WALL ... and even the theme in that is far out, because the sub-text is even more important ... including some far out bits ... "PEOPLE HAVE STOOD AND CHEERED ... SOMETHING THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND!" ... and of course, the early version of The Greatest Gig in the Sky was Syd's not Claire's voice. It also makes it clearer, how DG became a part of the music, as he was more adapt to having fun with "Astronome Domine" and "Interstellar Overdrive" and it shows in many boots, and eventually "A Saucerfull of Secrets". It helped him get a good feel for the band while it worked on how he would adjust ... and their next album, was more ... let's do each of us, suggesting that they did not AS YET AT THAT TIME were ready for anything that would be better or more interesting for fans. AHM kinda gave us the first real PF thing that we were about to see from that point on. Complete with sound effects, this time in TOTAL Quadraphonic sound going all over the venue, to make your head go dizzy, which earned them the "psychedelic" and "dopey" music even more during those days, and we're talking at least a couple of years before the release of DSOTM which was being played in parts and portions as well, although none of these "old" boots has any hint of DSOTM, though some have some lines or bits that appeared later as part of the DSOTM stuff, in comments, and some of it was in the Live in Pompeii film, though it is obvious that most of it, ended up in bootlegs, since a lot of it has never surfaced. Remember that DG got in with them in 1970, but I am not sure that the band did any shows for some time, and the stuff in the early days with Saucerfull of Secrets was in bootlegs, but very few of the boots, almost none, have Syd in them at all, suggesting that there was a couple of years before DG actually performed with PF on stage, although I have been told that he was a backup guitarist and that at least once, Syd's guitar was muted and DG played ... I kinda doubt that, but I suppose it is possible! In many ways, the early PF was not exactly "space rock" as it might have started out to be with its TITLE for the songs, which obviously mattered to Syd, but the band couldn't careless about the mumbo jumbo. That the music became "psychedelic" and "dopey" and "spacey" made it perfect for "SPACE ROCK" and that meant ... "tripping rock" ... and that was the main thing before DSOTM hit the shelves and the airwaves. And the band adapted to the big money, of course!
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