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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ 90125 was an engineered product for teens and pre-teens?!

I'm beginning to think he's putting us on by making statements like that
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I loved the banana-splits me, - when I was a kid - still smile when I hear the phrase - "Dear, Dear, Drooper" - but that's just me right?
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^ 90125 was an engineered product for teens and pre-teens?! 
I think the band was surprised at the success of the album, it was not even supposed to be a Yes album. But I guess with 4 former Yes members, it made sense to call themselves Yes. I wonder had the band been called Cinema, would it have been as successful? 

A lot of bands/artists mentioned here are just an easy listen indeed, but that does not make them bubblegum. 
(the video posted above explains what bubblegum music is, it's pretty clear, so I'll say it again, no offense, there's no such thing as bubblegum prog). 


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

"Owner of a Lonely Heart" comes to mind immediately.  

Sure. Owner of a Lonely Heart sounds just like it was written for the Archies or the Monkees in the 60s/70s. Confused

Good lord, if we actually think that Owner of a Lonely Heart is an example of bubblegum rock then I just don't know what to say anymore. I think people need to brush up on the bands that are considered to be bubblegum and exactly the type of music they were producing. 

From Wikipedia: 

Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum music or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music with an upbeat sound contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens and teenagers, which may be produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and often using unknown singers.

The 90125 Yes was essentially an engineered product, fusing Yes West with Anderson.  OAALH was a radio single that appealed to the bubble-gum audience, which gave Yes a much needed financial boost.  Other examples could include Asia (Heat of the Moment), GTR and a handful of other AOR prog bands in that era.  

Not that all of the music was bad, but it was crafted for commercial success and aimed squarely at the little girl market. 

Okay. I can agree to disagree. It's fine. I just can't consider 90125 to be anywhere near what I consider to be true bubblegum pop/rock. Just because music may be, as you say, an engineered product doesn't mean it's automatically analogous to bubblegum.
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Almost all albums and singles are aimed at gaining succes.

Yes and Rush already had big hitsingles. They just tried something different and more modern when they entered the 80's.

Trevor Horn was a producer and he helped Yes with their 80's albums but so was Tony Clarke who helped the Moody Blues and Rupert Hine who helped The Fixx and so on and so on.

Even the Beatles had a fifth member (can't remember his name).

Asia and Yes weren't aiming at preteen-girls, I think they more aimed at rock-fans. They wanted to be arenarock-bands like Journey and Boston and Chicago.


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I meant bubblegum without qualitative judgement on it, just as a genre.  
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I just asked a YouTube prog guru: Can you rank best to worse The Banana Splits next??
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Barclay James Harvest released an instrumental glam/pop/bubblegum song 1n 1972 called 'Breathless' under the moniker of 'Bombadil'... listen to those glitter band hand clap/ foot stomps..

Apparently when 'The Wombles' were making hit singles such as 'remember you're a Womble' (ahem.. yes..) it was Mike Batt who had been producing Steeleye Span at the time so they ended up producing some of the musical backing...

T Rex were definitely a teeny bop pop band verging on bubblegum.. and my wife will take a frying pan to me for saying it... yeah, glam I suppose like early The Sweet'... yet some of those songs are so so catchy and of course the early Tyrannosaurus rex phase was more interesting by far (but a lot less lucrative)

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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

"Owner of a Lonely Heart" comes to mind immediately.  

Sure. Owner of a Lonely Heart sounds just like it was written for the Archies or the Monkees in the 60s/70s. Confused

Good lord, if we actually think that Owner of a Lonely Heart is an example of bubblegum rock then I just don't know what to say anymore. I think people need to brush up on the bands that are considered to be bubblegum and exactly the type of music they were producing. 

From Wikipedia: 

Bubblegum pop (also known as bubblegum music or simply bubblegum) is a genre of pop music with an upbeat sound contrived and marketed to appeal to pre-teens and teenagers, which may be produced in an assembly-line process, driven by producers and often using unknown singers.

The 90125 Yes was essentially an engineered product, fusing Yes West with Anderson.  OAALH was a radio single that appealed to the bubble-gum audience, which gave Yes a much needed financial boost.  Other examples could include Asia (Heat of the Moment), GTR and a handful of other AOR prog bands in that era.  

Not that all of the music was bad, but it was crafted for commercial success and aimed squarely at the little girl market.  




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Here is your answer. A veritable Electric Light Orchestra clone. Complete with slick pop sweetness and adventurous compositional constructs. Enter the BUBBLE GUM ORCHESTRA

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I must confess - the first single I bought was -"Fox on the run" by "the sweet". I think they produced some of the better music from the glam-rock genre  (after queen of course). I prefer to do my dad-dancing to "teenage rampage" or "blockbuster" (only when I've imbibed enough alcohol of course) - I am not dancing round my hand-bag to "Dancing Queen" by abba....Cool I am an awful dancer - my one-foot dad-dancing moves are legendary at family parties - possibly due to the comic factor rather than any technical merit. 
They´re also really great musicians. I think they didn´t play in some of their first singles, but already mostly in their first album and after that there were no studio musicians. Sweet Fanny Adams was one of the first albums that hit me.
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I think the name for the band "2018 Fruitgum Corporation" ... would be appropriate!

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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

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Perhaps it's just me. But signals hasn't got a single track on it that I would wish to hear again. It's absolute garbage. From moving pictures to signals is possibly the biggest drop in quality over one release in the history of music. Signals is awful. Period. Moving pictures is not as good as it's predecessors but it's not a heaving pile of electro pop rubbish. Or is my memory of it mistaken?

You wouldn't be the first person to abandon Rush after MP. Yes, Signals, and subsequent albums were quite different than Rush's 70s output and they went pretty heavily into synths, as many, many 70s rock bands did in the 80s. Bigger hair, more synths, more power ballads, more music in general that was venturing from rock to more adult contemporary. No question about that but again to say that Rush went that way in order to line their pockets is simply wrong. 
To be fair - I'm offering that as an explanation to attempt to exonerate the Rush trio - I can forgive the output due to greed - they are only human....Mind you if you are saying that they went that way because they thought it was better.....how come they didn't do any track longer than six minutes?? - They could have done a couple of nostalgic releases surely?

I just think your premise that the music they produced in the 80s was primarily motivated by greed is flat out wrong. Yes, every band wants to be successful and make money. However, as I said, if Rush really wanted to go that route, they should have made another album that sounded like MP. THAT'S where the money was. 

All I can tell you is what I have seen and read in countless interviews, books, and Beyond The Lighted Stage. In all of that one theme has always come through. Rush has always moved forward and they always thought that their latest release was better than the last. (something that I don't always agree with) They may explore some similar themes and sounds from album to album but they never make the same album again. I would have loved it if they had made another Farewell To Kings or Hemispheres but that's not what they are about nor have they ever been about that. Rush doesn't really do nostalgia. The closest they got to that would be the album, Feedback. They have also stated in interviews why they stopped making longer songs. (although their last three albums contain some songs that break the 6 minute mark) 




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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

"Owner of a Lonely Heart" comes to mind immediately.  

Sure. Owner of a Lonely Heart sounds just like it was written for the Archies or the Monkees in the 60s/70s. Confused

Good lord, if we actually think that Owner of a Lonely Heart is an example of bubblegum rock then I just don't know what to say anymore. I think people need to brush up on the bands that are considered to be bubblegum and exactly the type of music they were producing. 

Exactly. Well said.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

"Owner of a Lonely Heart" comes to mind immediately.  

Sure. Owner of a Lonely Heart sounds just like it was written for the Archies or the Monkees in the 60s/70s. Confused

Good lord, if we actually think that Owner of a Lonely Heart is an example of bubblegum rock then I just don't know what to say anymore. I think people need to brush up on the bands that are considered to be bubblegum and exactly the type of music they were producing. 
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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

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Perhaps it's just me. But signals hasn't got a single track on it that I would wish to hear again. It's absolute garbage. From moving pictures to signals is possibly the biggest drop in quality over one release in the history of music. Signals is awful. Period. Moving pictures is not as good as it's predecessors but it's not a heaving pile of electro pop rubbish. Or is my memory of it mistaken?

You wouldn't be the first person to abandon Rush after MP. Yes, Signals, and subsequent albums were quite different than Rush's 70s output and they went pretty heavily into synths, as many, many 70s rock bands did in the 80s. Bigger hair, more synths, more power ballads, more music in general that was venturing from rock to more adult contemporary. No question about that but again to say that Rush went that way in order to line their pockets is simply wrong. 
To be fair - I'm offering that as an explanation to attempt to exonerate the Rush trio - I can forgive the output due to greed - they are only human....Mind you if you are saying that they went that way because they thought it was better.....how come they didn't do any track longer than six minutes?? - They could have done a couple of nostalgic releases surely?
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I must confess - the first single I bought was -"Fox on the run" by "the sweet". I think they produced some of the better music from the glam-rock genre  (after queen of course). I prefer to do my dad-dancing to "teenage rampage" or "blockbuster" (only when I've imbibed enough alcohol of course) - I am not dancing round my hand-bag to "Dancing Queen" by abba....Cool I am an awful dancer - my one-foot dad-dancing moves are legendary at family parties - possibly due to the comic factor rather than any technical merit. 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Perhaps it's just me. But signals hasn't got a single track on it that I would wish to hear again. It's absolute garbage. From moving pictures to signals is possibly the biggest drop in quality over one release in the history of music. Signals is awful. Period. Moving pictures is not as good as it's predecessors but it's not a heaving pile of electro pop rubbish. Or is my memory of it mistaken?

You wouldn't be the first person to abandon Rush after MP. Yes, Signals, and subsequent albums were quite different than Rush's 70s output and they went pretty heavily into synths, as many, many 70s rock bands did in the 80s. Bigger hair, more synths, more power ballads, more music in general from bands in the 70s that rocked and now in the 80s were venturing from rock to a more adult contemporary sounding music. No question about that but again to say that Rush went that way in order to line their pockets is simply wrong. 


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Owner of a lonely heart(to me at least)is pop not bubblegum. It's not even prog so I wouldn't call it bubblegum prog even if I did think it was bubblegum. 
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I think it was a small step from bubblegum to glamrock.
Both were manufactured and producer-driven with lots and lots of help from outside-writers.

I like glamrock because of it's playful and sexual approach. Not as a genre but more as a way of songwriting (Queen, Uriah Heep, Roxy Music).
For the same reason I can enjoy disco not as genre but more incorporated in music.
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