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siLLy puPPy 
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 Posted: January 28 2018 at 20:41 |
 Walkscore wrote:
I too have lots of CDs. They take up so much room!
Umm, can you explain the bit about solar flares? What exactly is predicted to happen? |
A small article but hardly extensive
This is what is expected but worse due to our entire planet on electrical grids
I have watched a fair amount of discussion on the matter. It seems the sun is increasing its activity. WHile humankind gets the blame for global warming and climate change, it turns out that most of it is due to the sun's increase in energy output. Likewise the entire solar system is experiencing similar effects. Of course, we ARE making it worse with greenhouse effect gasses and the like.
From what i've heard, the consensus is that in the next ten years we are very likely to experience some of the worst sun activity in modern ages. It will have numerous negative consequences regarding not only our electronics but also will play a role in major droughts and all the usual doomsday effects.
On the bright side, some say it will trigger our DNA to evolve into the next stage of evolution. If that's true, i guess i can give up my smart phone 
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 20:35 |
Lewian wrote:
siLLy puPPy wrote:
i've never had one single CD fail and don't know anyone else who has either
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Now you do. I lost two or three. And no, it wasn't the sun.
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Well, losing them isn't THEIR fault! Write it down where you left them
Seriously, what happened?
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 19:50 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
^ P.A. party at Atavachron's house! Do you have heated swimming pool? |
A pool in SF? Unheard of. I too have never had a CD "fail", though in the old days (read early 90s) they did have flaws now & then. But no problems with any disc I've bought in the last ten years.
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Jzrk
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 19:28 |
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It’s an interesting topic because agh older you get the more physical music you accumulate.
And if you are like most music lovers you are always seeking out new music and probably have a lot of cds that you may not have listened to in years.
So my take would be if you have time to sort out the ones that aren’t all that to you and sell them or donate them.
How many that is you won’t know until you do it.i have some cds that I now wonder why did I ever buy? Or maybe had one or two songs I liked and that’s it.No problem to give those up.I do not buy too many new cds but sometime will to support some artists and their labels.
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 19:25 |
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I've sold many in the past and each time regretted it some years later...had to bought them all again.
Not much space left either so i've decided to slow down for some time...must have bought a good 500 cds in the last five years (many orders still unopened) and i'll probably concentrate on these for the next couple of years.
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Walkscore
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 19:23 |
I too have lots of CDs. They take up so much room!
Umm, can you explain the bit about solar flares? What exactly is predicted to happen?
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Lewian
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 19:16 |
siLLy puPPy wrote:
i've never had one single CD fail and don't know anyone else who has either
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Now you do. I lost two or three. And no, it wasn't the sun.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 19:09 |
^ P.A. party at Atavachron's house! Do you have heated swimming pool? ^ @Lewian... i've never had one single CD fail and don't know anyone else who has either (unless they leave it the sun or something) however EVERYONE i know has had a hard drive fail. The solar activities could wipe out the whole electrical grid on the planet. I'm not making this up. We will be soooooo f--ck--d!
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 18:41 |
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Including myself, three of the seven posters are from the B.A. Interesting.
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Lewian
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 18:27 |
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It's true that hard disks fail (CDs fail, too!) and as a Vortexbox user I need to care about that. I have two backups of my collection on external drives, another backup is with a friend. Furthermore the Vortexbox can produce an MP3 image of everything (which in my case is about 100-150 GB so fits easily on any modern laptop and even on some smartphones these days - I only have about 1/10 of siLLy puPPy though); that should be safe enough. But I see that I'm not going to convince you...
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 18:11 |
Hey there! Looks like we're neighbors as i'm a Bay Area dweller as well :)
I'm in the same boat. I have well over 10,000 CDs in one room and i'm actually quite overwhelmed (in a good way :)
I will not get rid of any of them, in fact i feel the gravitational pull of any music store i approach and if i dare go in always walk out with more than i wanted to spend :o
I recommend keeping them for a couple of reasons. First of all, they are worth something or if not will be one day. So in effect they are an investment. Sure you can jettison your Alanis Morrissette or Paula Abdul because you can always find those at the thrift store but i made the mistake of getting rid of a great number of cassettes for the same reasons and now i regret it mostly because some were never released on CD.
CDs are superior to YouTube, MP3 or almost every other technology for my liking. They are easily ripped onto a hard drive and i keep all mine because of the fact that hard drives fail! We are also expereriences heightened sun activity and when the major solar flares predicted in the next few years finally deposit their radition in full fiery display on the earth, it is well within the reality that ALL hard drives on Earth could be fried. I therefore have made myself a sort of Noah's Ark for music
I would love to own about 100,000 more actually but i had to put the breaks on recently because i've run out of room as well. I would recommend storing them before getting rid of them but it really depends if you need the $$$ or not. Amoeba used to be a good place to sell but they don't pay crap any longer. Ebay or Discogs is a better bet. I dunno. Got a list? Maybe i'd buy some!
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 17:55 |
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Oh keep that puppy. It's just ... nice, and could become an heirloom.
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 17:31 |
Atavachron wrote:
hieronymous wrote:
One thing I've heard is, if
it's a common CD like AC/DC or Aerosmith then just sell it off - you will be
able to buy it again later.
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This is a good guideline.
I suppose if you were to store every obscure record you own on an alternate medium and then got rid of all your CDs, that would be just as good as keeping the hard copy. But I'd advise against it-- there is something to be said for real things that exist externally.
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Was writing when you posted. I do have thoughts on this - I'm listening to my Offering box set, trying to decide if I let it go. Haven't listened to it in at least 7-8 years - I really like Magma so this is part of that mode of buying everything I could get my hands on. I think I had a couple of them as individual CDs, but sold those when I got this. There are definitely songs on here that are 100% keepers, like Earth from the first album - I forgot how much Zeuhl & Kobaian stuff there is on here! My memory is that it's more jazz and has more "happy" melodic stuff but there is darkness and mystery too! I could go through and just save the tracks I like, but this set is just too cool to let go of, so I'm keeping it - for now at least!
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hieronymous
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 17:21 |
Thanks for the replies so far - I think this thread could be worthwhile if others find themselves in a similar situation to me.
The.Crimson.King wrote:
Quinino wrote:
You'll make so few money that anyway it would feel better - the soul, not the pocket - making a donation to a local institution/public library/youth shelter
(if we do it with spare clothes, furniture, toys, old appliances - I for once have this habit - why not with records?)
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This^
Besides, you'd be doing your part to spread prog to people who would never seek it out otherwise...a truly noble undertaking. The 1st time I ever heard a Zappa album was when I saw Studio Tan at my local library. Dropped the needle on Greggary Peccary and that was it 
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I am fortunate to live in the San Francisco Bay Area, so I generally just go to Amoeba. Even if I only get $100, it allows me to pick up a few CDs that I've been on the hunt for (if there are any). Of course I'm getting much less than I paid for them, but I'm still not spending yet more money, it lets me kind of float along - like I said before, I buy a lot less music these days.
The idea to donate the CDs is an interesting one - if CDs were still the main format then I could see it, but I think there's too much of a chance that they wouldn't be valued. Of course, I can't control that, but putting them back into the system of used CDs at Amoeba greatly increases the chances that they will get to someone who will really appreciate them.
Lewian wrote:
hieronymous wrote:
Of course, this conversation is moot if you only collect mp3s/other non-hardcopy digital formats. I guess I'm fairly old-school - I just prefer to listen to CDs than mp3s or YouTube.
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Obviously you can do as you like, but I wonder whether your dislike of "non-hardcopy" is based on lack of information.
I have put all my CDs in flac format on a Vortexbox.
https://www.vortexbox.co.uk/
flac is lossless and there is no reason (at least not for the ears) that this should be any worse than CDs. I'm in the process of giving away all my CDs (I still occasionally buy some if I can't find flac and don't want lossy mp3, but after they're on the box, the hard copy can go, too). All the sentimental storytelling of what you have recently dug out and what you listen to every year... it's all the same on hard disk.
Of course the CD has a booklet and you can touch it, fair enough if that's what you're after, but for me music is for the ears.
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I have definitely not moved beyond CDs & mp3s. Part of my problem is that I've just been using iTunes since the first iPod, so my iPhone is my only portable music player, and you have to import the music to the computer that you are using to sync with your phone - but my computer has very little memory! My system disk gets full within a day and I have to restart the computer, so I can't be loading tons of music back and forth to my phone - so I'm just sticking with CDs for now.
It's funny, I just prefer selecting a CD and committing to it. It isn't tied into some kind of natural representation of music, it's totally arbitrary to the format (similar to tapes or records though) - I think the vast abyss of a hard drive with days or weeks worth of music just turns me off. It's connected to two experiences I've had - 1) walking around Kyoto with an early iPod with a day's worth of music and not finding anything I wanted to listen to! And 2) a friend who anytime an album comes up he says "Oh I have that, I got it for free of the internet, I have a hard drive with x amount of music that I got for free." So weird, the possession and consumption of music but with the music itself devalued to a mere object. I'm not saying that's what you do, but that's how it feels for me.
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Atavachron
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 17:13 |
hieronymous wrote:
One thing I've heard is, if
it's a common CD like AC/DC or Aerosmith then just sell it off - you will be
able to buy it again later.
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This is a good guideline. I suppose if you were to store every obscure record you own on an alternate medium and then got rid of all your CDs, that would be just as good as keeping the hard copy. But I'd advise against it-- there is something to be said for real things that exist externally.
Edited by Atavachron - January 28 2018 at 17:13
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Lewian
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 16:49 |
hieronymous wrote:
Of course, this conversation
is moot if you only collect mp3s/other non-hardcopy digital formats. I guess
I'm fairly old-school - I just prefer to listen to CDs than mp3s or YouTube.
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Obviously you can do as you like, but I wonder whether your dislike of "non-hardcopy" is based on lack of information. I have put all my CDs in flac format on a Vortexbox. https://www.vortexbox.co.uk/ flac is lossless and there is no reason (at least not for the ears) that this should be any worse than CDs. I'm in the process of giving away all my CDs (I still occasionally buy some if I can't find flac and don't want lossy mp3, but after they're on the box, the hard copy can go, too). All the sentimental storytelling of what you have recently dug out and what you listen to every year... it's all the same on hard disk. Of course the CD has a booklet and you can touch it, fair enough if that's what you're after, but for me music is for the ears.
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 15:40 |
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I try to not do this, unless I've accidently bought a dulipcate somewhere along the way. That said, I'm sure given what my tastes are now there are several things that I could part with and be ok with never hearing again. I just don't really want to take the time to go through everything. :p
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 10:10 |
Quinino wrote:
You'll make so few money that anyway it would feel better - the soul, not the pocket - making a donation to a local institution/public library/youth shelter
(if we do it with spare clothes, furniture, toys, old appliances - I for once have this habit - why not with records?)
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This^ Besides, you'd be doing your part to spread prog to people who would never seek it out otherwise...a truly noble undertaking. The 1st time I ever heard a Zappa album was when I saw Studio Tan at my local library. Dropped the needle on Greggary Peccary and that was it
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 09:53 |
if you have a copy of Island-Pictures I will give you 10 bucks for it right now.
I guess that doesn't answer your philosophy question. There IS a market for them, would be the main thing to come away from with that statement.
Edited by Tapfret - January 28 2018 at 09:55
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Quinino
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Posted: January 28 2018 at 09:19 |
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You'll make so few money that anyway it would feel better - the soul, not the pocket - making a donation to a local institution/public library/youth shelter
(if we do it with spare clothes, furniture, toys, old appliances - I for once have this habit - why not with records?)
Edited by Quinino - January 28 2018 at 09:20
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