The creepy cult of modern faux liberalism

Well it's been a long and painful conversation, glad we stuck it out.   Looks like some of the xenophobia here on the site has been largely exposed and exorcised, at least for now.

I wish you all the best too RayRo thanks for your words.  

^Yes Dean, thanks for the understanding. And yes, I've never seen that level of extremism here in PA. Sadly tying it to the current events, that is the kind of racism that will prompt attacks on refugees and foreigners who have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. 

The T wrote: And you didn't read the racist comment I received which made me also write a very awful response. Those two have been deleted.

I read it and must say that type of hate is very troubling.

The T wrote: RayRo wrote: The T wrote: ^You're right. I was just getting frustrated. I'm sorry RayRo for the "simple minded" part.  everything I have said about Triceratopol or something stays though I accept your apology with no ill feelings and offer the same. But stating that one problem is greater than another when they are intrinsically linked to a single ignition source makes little sense to me. The same way as taking one extreme political position at the sacrifice of a greater good makes little sense to me.   So I'll ask in a way as polite as possible and without a derisive tone. Does "black on black" crime exist? If so, then is it a problem that should be addressed?   Does "cops killing blacks" (BLM) really exist? If so, it is a problem that should be addressed? These all matter Yes. They do. But talking about one specific problem doesn't have to mean that you have to talk about all problems to give it validity. The "cops killing blacks" problem is one that doesn't have to necessarily be addressed at the same time or way as all other problems that affect blacks or any other population.

I agree with you T. I would put it this way, if it's any help. Part (only part) of the solution to black on black crime is better policing. Hence the problem. Confidence in the police is too low to be of any constructive value in solving anything. Therefore it should be priority one for things to be fixed.

I wanted to echo too that institutional racism is not just about stats on how many victims there are. Everyone of the affected minority is a victim emotionally. It's the same principle as terrorism. The success is not measured by the number of victims but by the fear it creates.

Edited by HackettFan - November 13 2015 at 20:35

emigre80 wrote: I just read the entire thread and now feel very nostalgic for a good Yes v. Genesis argument.

RayRo wrote: ... I gave Andy Webb my word... ...

RayRo wrote: The T wrote: ^You're right. I was just getting frustrated. I'm sorry RayRo for the "simple minded" part.  everything I have said about Triceratopol or something stays though I accept your apology with no ill feelings and offer the same. But stating that one problem is greater than another when they are intrinsically linked to a single ignition source makes little sense to me. The same way as taking one extreme political position at the sacrifice of a greater good makes little sense to me.   So I'll ask in a way as polite as possible and without a derisive tone. Does "black on black" crime exist? If so, then is it a problem that should be addressed?   Does "cops killing blacks" (BLM) really exist? If so, it is a problem that should be addressed?

These all matter Yes. They do. But talking about one specific problem doesn't have to mean that you have to talk about all problems to give it validity. The "cops killing blacks" problem is one that doesn't have to necessarily be addressed at the same time or way as all other problems that affect blacks or any other population. 

garfunkel wrote: But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL.  Shouldn't that be there main focus?  Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?

But BLM does not care about black on black crime AT ALL. 

This is a huge assumption…  While it may be true for a select few, I’m sure it’s not the case for most.

 

Shouldn't that be there main focus?  

They are trying to shine a light on the subject of discrimination that to this day still plagues the country.

Black on black crime is also a problem like many other problems that should addressed.  However, you don’t want to diffuse the light of any issue that you’re trying to illuminate.

 

Or am I not allowed to talk about that? It makes me racist, right?

redirecting and diffusing the spotlight on the issue in question doesn't help. What about black on black crime, what about reverse discrimination, what about…? 

The T wrote: RayRo wrote: The T wrote: RayRo wrote: The T wrote: RayRo wrote: Is it possible that blacks have two serious problems? Cops killing blacks and  black on black crime? Or is there no room for that possibility in this discussion? Just as white on white crime. Or white heroin addiction. That is just activities of concern but again it's not institutionalized discrimination for an entire ethnic group by those with power and authority.  So, you're saying that they are both not serious problems. Gotcha! Can you be so simple-minded? Of course they are serious problems but they have nothing to do with racism and oppression as the other one.  Weren't you just defending LGBT rights on a different thread? I wonder why you can't imagine there being other groups that are similarly targeted because of who they are.   Can you really be so simple minded? Racism and oppression (in the form of slavery) started all of this. Come down from your pedestal and look. What pedestal? Of course I know that's how things started so what are you really trying to say? I don't understand.