Post Rock/Post Metal/Math Rock Thread

GoldenSpiral wrote: that's wonderful for you.  I'm glad you like opeth, they're a great band.   However, just because YOU don't like the post-rock sound, doesn't make it an objective fact that post-rock is not progressive music.   It's your loss if you don't like it, I don't care about that.  What I do care about is you hijacking threads in which people are discussing music that they like.  I don't go into every thread about a neo-prog band ranting about how much I don't like neo-prog.  I just stay out.   Please endeavor in the future to recognize the difference between facts and opinion.

However "post-rock" is more related with alternative music than to Prog Rock...

Some guy (a Cult of Luna, post-rock fan) told me this:

"Not everything that is listed in PA is Prog, you must be aware of that...
Post-Rock isn't Prog; it could have lots of textures, long tracks, and not so simple structures...but in the end, and out of that it doesn't look like Prog at all"

What do you think about that?

P.H.P. wrote: Good word, "vague" is the feeling I get when I listen to "post-rock"...anyways "post-rock" isn't the most innovative genre so to call listening to them "expanding horizons"...

Oh boy...

So what would you recommend instead for the "expanding of horizons"? Bands that people like Bela Bartok wouldn't have touched with a ten-foot stick (even though he inspired some of them) ?

Edited by Visitor13 - October 22 2007 at 13:13

that's wonderful for you.  I'm glad you like opeth, they're a great band.

Dalezilla wrote: P.H.P. wrote: it's not rubbish, it's my oppinion as a Prog fan, a matter of fact is that "post-rock" has mostly young fans, older people don't even really pay too much attention for this stuff...wonder why.   Have you listened to post-rock yourself?

Obvious...

GoldenSpiral wrote: no, PHP. see, you come into a thread where civilized people are discussing music that they enjoy, and that is widely regarded as modern progressive music.   Then you, with your out-dated notion of what constitutes progressive music, and the aid of your lack of self-control, decide to post saying that everything we've been discussing is irrelevant because it doesn't match what you think.   You are not contributing to conversation, apart from taking attention away from music and putting it on yourself.  You are a classic example of an internet troll.   Now can we please go back to recommending music to people who are actually interested in expanding their horizons, please?

So....how "out-dated" is my notion of Prog when I call Opeth a Prog Metal band??

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41839

Visitor13 wrote: Actually, compared with classical music, a lot of jazz and various traditional musics, classic prog is an 'epic fail.' So P.H.P., if you want to be smartass about something, make sure it's smart enough in the first place.

Pity that Prog is an "epic fail" for you

but anyways why the need to compare? if it's good, then what's wrong?

no, PHP. see, you come into a thread where civilized people are discussing music that they enjoy, and that is widely regarded as modern progressive music.

GoldenSpiral wrote: P.H.P. wrote: Most people who like this "post-rock" bands pretend they're listening to 100% Prog bands, and they haven't even heard or like Prog Rock...so how could they know what's Prog about?... If you have understood and of course enjoyed Prog Rock first, "post-rock" isn't the big deal really, it seems you're only listening to this "post-rock" stuff, I recommend you guys listen to some Prog Rock.   EPIC FAIL.   ...bah...just....don't even get me started....   DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

hahaha don't make me laugh, started about what??

see you guys...when an oppinion that differs from yours appears you are inmediately saying "omg don't feel the troll" and putting images of "you fail", and I really think your behaviour is childish which is worst than a troll...

it seems that Prog-heads are inmediately trolls for you, this is a PROG site for PROG-heads, what are you doing here?


Edited by P.H.P. - October 22 2007 at 12:47

P.H.P. wrote: it's not rubbish, it's my oppinion as a Prog fan, a matter of fact is that "post-rock" has mostly young fans, older people don't even really pay too much attention for this stuff...wonder why.

A friend of mine, who is in his late 40s, loves Kayo Dot and Godspeed. He has listened to prog and jazz since he was 15, and is now mostly into classical music, though still with a love for prog such as Gentle Giant, Tasavallan Presidentti, King Crimson etc.
I think it's a question of musical imagination...

Anyway, as I mostly like the more experimental side of prog metal (besides bands like Opeth and Enslaved), I find the new categories very useful


Edited by dadamah - October 22 2007 at 12:41

man, Post-rock or Post-metal has never been PROG, understand that, the fact this site lists bands like Cult of Luna doesn't mean they're really Prog...