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Dean
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 17:54 |
^ what a load of bollocks, the two images are about PERCEPTION, the guitarists' equivalent of beer-goggles.
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JLocke
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 16:59 |
Adams Bolero wrote:
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Nobody said that drugs are some magical substance that automatically give you wild skills as a musician. How dumb do you think people are? |
Well thats certainly what was implied in the above picture. |
Certain people using drugs as a way to enhance the talent and skill they already had is very different from telling people to start popping pills so that they will turn into musical geniuses. For people like me who aren't afraid of drugs, those lines are clearly defined already. The picture never implied anything otherwise in my mind.
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Adams Bolero
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 16:55 |
JLocke wrote:
Nobody said that drugs are some magical substance that automatically give you wild skills as a musician. How dumb do you think people are? |
Well thats certainly what was implied in the above picture.
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JLocke
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 16:30 |
Nobody said that drugs are some magical substance that automatically give you wild skills as a musician. How dumb do you think people are?
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 15:32 |
That's one of the funniest things I've seen for years Mind you, I'm on my fourth pint of Courage Best
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Deleuze
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 10:01 |
This is your brain:
This is your brain on drugs:
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 08:05 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Adams Bolero
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Posted: October 23 2010 at 07:11 |
jplanet wrote:
Here's Your Brain:
Here's Your Brain on Drugs:
Any questions?
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Hendrix's talents as a guitarist and composer had nothing to do with drugs. Purple Haze was written before he had got into drugs for God sake. It's very disrespectful to him to dismiss all the years he spent practising to play guitar and just put his skill down to drug use. Drugs may have helped open Jimi's mind to explore more exotic musical styles and ideas but they would have done nothing had Jimi not had a independant talent that was unrelated to drug use. Smoking a joint won't make you produce songs like Voodoo Child, Angel or Little Wing. You have to be gifted musically for that.
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JLocke
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 15:38 |
jampa17 wrote:
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himtroy wrote:
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Well... I think we see this too much from the US and Europe point of view, but you know that in Latin America and maybe in half of the World, to be "legalized" something do not offer any change at all. I know many druggers, and even if "only" abuse of weed they do not have any more neurons and they became into just a gang of stupid trippy people. Sorry, I know I could say that moderation is the key, but when kids start trying that at 12 or 13, there's no moderation at all and they consume their lives on an addiction. Our world is no horrible, and weed do not make things better... just worse... |
Are you still in high school? Because I'd be shocked if you haven't reached the age where you realise that many completely functional and normal people are smoking pot AND being fine in life. The same as theres people who are successful and go out and drink on the weekends. |
No amount of sense you try to talk into him will ever change his narrow, narrow mind. | Funny... I'm 25 years old and I have several friends who try weed once in a while and everything is fresh, but I know alot more that abuse of it and yes, they do not have a life, they only live and work to buy it... and yes, it's adictive, you can say is because they like it but they HAVE, they NEED to be smoking that cr*p all day, and yes, I can't have a cleaver conversation with them... yes, their minds have lost many of the regular working and the get into abuse.
Sorry if I'm not hipocrit and say "yeah, everything is cool and there's no problem". Of course there's a problem, don't mind -I tell you- if someone want to waste his life on it, but sure it destroys life man... and I have seen it plenty of times now... |
Well, you're wrong as usual. Pot in and of itself is not an 'addictive' substance. As I said way earlier in this very thread, there is a difference between something having physically addictive ingredients in it, and something just being really hard for some people to stop. The first example involves addiction itself. The second scenario I describe is simply a self-induced habit. Big difference. People can literally become addicted to alcohol. And it's a thousand times more dangerous to people's health and well-being that pot ever will be. Yet, it's legal. It's amazing to me how many people still buy into this 'refer madness' nonsense.
As for your last paragraph . . . if you honestly think any of us here are saying ''there's no problem'' with drug use, then you sir are blind as well as thick. I'm pretty sure we have all universally agreed that taking drugs does you harm. That has nothing to do with whether or not I think pot should be legalized. Much more dangerous things than pot are legally provided to folks, so less crime and deaths surround those situations. In contrast, because pot is illegal, kids have a much greater risk of starting it early, getting hooked on harder drugs, and dying as a result of an angry dealer than if the middlemen would be cut out completely, and pot would be legally provided. That shouldn't be the case! Pot on its own would never cause such trouble. | Man, I wonder why you have to take everything I said with such a mean attitude.
First, I know the difference between addiction and "self-induced habit", which doesnt' have a difference at the end because people -at least the one that I know- just can't stop trying weed. Name it as you want, the fact is that people is really loosing their minds about it, and what abusers said? they said that they need something harder eventually to get the same feeling, so, again, they are wasting their lives on it.
Second, it doesn't depend on me to be legal or not. Yes, I know drinking is way more dangerous than weed. I'm against drinking as well, but I'm seeing it from my cultural reference. As I said it in this very thread, there are places where no matter its legal or not, the reality is same and there's no difference. I have seen lives wasted by alcoholism as well, but not all the places has the regulations, or the government controls or even the education to control a "self-induced habit" or an addiction. If you can see the amount of lives that are wasted in weed -I have seen many...- you can comprehend my point. Guess you have not met someone wasted... but well...
Third, drugs become with a very bad force in between. I used to think "whateve, everybody have their own rights" but now that I grow up I have seen that the problem is bigger and that at least in the local circles I know there's no controls or education enough to deal with it. So, sorry, I disagree... |
You've completely . . . completely missed the main points of my argument. Let me try to make it clearer to you: I am well aware of lowlives not being able to stop smoking weed. But that doesn't change anything. Obviously, pot being illegal hasn't stopped them from obtaining it, anyway, and making it legal isn't going to automatically make everybody else in the word want to use it. The fact that some people can't regulate their pot use has no effect on whether or not I think it should be legal. Stupid people do stupid things all the time that get them in poor situations later in life. That's how the world works.
Meanwhile, the responsible pot smokers (which are the majority) are in danger of being labeled as criminals, and the underground drug dealers continue to make a fortune. The war against pot smoking (and drugs in general) is a bad thing. It feeds crime, and makes the streets less safe. The moment you make something illegal that a vast majority partake of, you've given birth to a huge, money-making crime zone. Pot in particular is so mild, you can't even overdose on it. And this 'gateway drug' stuff you've now spouted off is oldest argument in the book, and is so inaccurate, I honestly wonder how you even thought using that reasoning would actually convince anybody here. Abusers who need something harder eventually? They are a very low number of the pot smokers out there. Let's not punish everybody else who simply enjoys it as a way to chill out and relax.
Yeah, some people abuse their pot smoking habits. Just like some people abuse alcohol, pornography, video games, sex, excessive shopping, gambling, etc. Should we make all of these things illegal? I mean, they often lead to ruining lives if the people in question surrender their lives to them. But in small doses, aren't most of those activities . . . fun? Do they cause any harm when kept in check? Anything has the potential to be harmful in excess. That's why we have to use our good judgment. You've had the wool pulled over your eyes by the government when it comes to pot. It's just like anything else. But you've heard the propaganda, and a couple of your buddies seem to confirm that false notion for you. So you think it's best to keep the harmful stuff away from the children. What you seem completely oblivious of is that keeping pot illegal makes it much easier to obtain and much harder to regulate. Make it legal, the crime surrounding it drops considerably, lives are ultimately saved, we get a boom in our economy as the selling of pot in stores becomes taxed, and the wrong people stop going to jail.
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himtroy
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 14:20 |
stonebeard wrote:
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hey also realise that you can get really stoned and go do whatever you have to do, which can't be said of getting really drunk. |
Yeah but they might buy ten times more Doritos when they're high, though.
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Thus stimulating the economy even further?
I'm a BIG Cheez-Its man myself.
But I mean.....I smoke pot...so you really shouldn't be listening to what I say...I'm clearly a mentally insane criminal who can give back nothing to society or ever succeed at anything. Just like the video in health class said! Isn't it strange that the video's produced by the government re-inforce their political agenda (such as cannabis being illegal), irregardless of substantial information.
Adding this in instead of making another post. On the whole "habitual" matter...that can happen with anything. Billions of people are addicted to TV/Video Games/Computer (even some here.....), and isn't THAT greatly inhibiting their productivity? It's reasons like this that the habitual argument is such garbage. People do what they want to do.
And honestly, I'm for the legalization drugs in general. I don't think people should be doing cocaine, but thats just it...I DON'T THINK...not THEY DON'T THINK....People have the right to do what they want with their own body.
I'm done now. I had this argument with enough 14 year old kids when I was in middle school, I've learned that it isn't logic that wins out, it's waiting til people grow up.
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JJLehto
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 14:19 |
Yes. From HS through the end of college (even past!) I have know people who smoke it regularly and not only function fine, excel in whatever they do..
I think it's this simple: If you have a problem with it, fine. That's 100% OK
But, it's not physically addicting. It can be mentally addicting. If you're weak willed, a bum, or just want it to happen then yeah..it probably will It's not that terrible for you (lungs of course) especially compared to alcohol, ciggs, and harder drugs
And of course, it grows on the planet. Its not man made, no chemicals or factories. Poison mushrooms or anything that will kill you if you eat it is not illegal. I just cant see why something is illegal and demonized that grows naturally on Earth. Even IF its bad for you, how can that be done?
OK, out for good.
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 14:15 |
himtroy wrote:
hey also realise that you can get really stoned and go do whatever you have to do, which can't be said of getting really drunk. |
Yeah but they might buy ten times more Doritos when they're high, though.
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jampa17
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 14:13 |
Proletariat wrote:
jampa, just curious, would you support legalization of marijuana in north america where legal and illigal are totally different things? i know that it would effect south american gangs as most have a majority of their revenue coming from smuggling said marijuana to the north... would perhaps legaly grown american merijuana help to destroy the smuggling economy in south america and have positive effects on your community?
please correct me if im ill informed about guatamalan polotics/gang activity as i am certainly not an expert |
That's the same question I made to myself. And I'm not sure man, I have heard that kind of arguments before and seem to be the right choice, but I'm not sure, since you know how international relations works, Once the United States or Europe legalized it, they will make pressure on us (little poor dumb contries) to do the same.
In a perfect World that would be the answer, but I'm sure politician will pick up over the issue and screw everything... especially when most (or at least many) of our politician had their our hands on the business. The decisions made in my country depends more on the business of personal interests more than what the society needs... so, I keep dobuting... but it sounds like a good answer to me...
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himtroy
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 14:12 |
jampa17 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
himtroy wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Well... I think we see this too much from the US and Europe point of view, but you know that in Latin America and maybe in half of the World, to be "legalized" something do not offer any change at all. I know many druggers, and even if "only" abuse of weed they do not have any more neurons and they became into just a gang of stupid trippy people. Sorry, I know I could say that moderation is the key, but when kids start trying that at 12 or 13, there's no moderation at all and they consume their lives on an addiction. Our world is no horrible, and weed do not make things better... just worse... |
Are you still in high school? Because I'd be shocked if you haven't reached the age where you realise that many completely functional and normal people are smoking pot AND being fine in life. The same as theres people who are successful and go out and drink on the weekends. |
No amount of sense you try to talk into him will ever change his narrow, narrow mind. | Funny... I'm 25 years old and I have several friends who try weed once in a while and everything is fresh, but I know alot more that abuse of it and yes, they do not have a life, they only live and work to buy it... and yes, it's adictive, you can say is because they like it but they HAVE, they NEED to be smoking that cr*p all day, and yes, I can't have a cleaver conversation with them... yes, their minds have lost many of the regular working and the get into abuse.
Sorry if I'm not hipocrit and say "yeah, everything is cool and there's no problem". Of course there's a problem, don't mind -I tell you- if someone want to waste his life on it, but sure it destroys life man... and I have seen it plenty of times now... |
Well, you're wrong as usual. Pot in and of itself is not an 'addictive' substance. As I said way earlier in this very thread, there is a difference between something having physically addictive ingredients in it, and something just being really hard for some people to stop. The first example involves addiction itself. The second scenario I describe is simply a self-induced habit. Big difference. People can literally become addicted to alcohol. And it's a thousand times more dangerous to people's health and well-being that pot ever will be. Yet, it's legal. It's amazing to me how many people still buy into this 'refer madness' nonsense.
As for your last paragraph . . . if you honestly think any of us here are saying ''there's no problem'' with drug use, then you sir are blind as well as thick. I'm pretty sure we have all universally agreed that taking drugs does you harm. That has nothing to do with whether or not I think pot should be legalized. Much more dangerous things than pot are legally provided to folks, so less crime and deaths surround those situations. In contrast, because pot is illegal, kids have a much greater risk of starting it early, getting hooked on harder drugs, and dying as a result of an angry dealer than if the middlemen would be cut out completely, and pot would be legally provided. That shouldn't be the case! Pot on its own would never cause such trouble. | Man, I wonder why you have to take everything I said with such a mean attitude.
First, I know the difference between addiction and "self-induced habit", which doesnt' have a difference at the end because people -at least the one that I know- just can't stop trying weed. Name it as you want, the fact is that people is really loosing their minds about it, and what abusers said? they said that they need something harder eventually to get the same feeling, so, again, they are wasting their lives on it.
Second, it doesn't depend on me to be legal or not. Yes, I know drinking is way more dangerous than weed. I'm against drinking as well, but I'm seeing it from my cultural reference. As I said it in this very thread, there are places where no matter its legal or not, the reality is same and there's no difference. I have seen lives wasted by alcoholism as well, but not all the places has the regulations, or the government controls or even the education to control a "self-induced habit" or an addiction. If you can see the amount of lives that are wasted in weed -I have seen many...- you can comprehend my point. Guess you have not met someone wasted... but well...
Third, drugs become with a very bad force in between. I used to think "whateve, everybody have their own rights" but now that I grow up I have seen that the problem is bigger and that at least in the local circles I know there's no controls or education enough to deal with it. So, sorry, I disagree... |
This sounds like you're completely basing this around a single friend who happens to be a bum. I know a BRAIN SURGEON, highly ranked in the country, who smokes pot at night. In fact, I know people in just about any position who smokes. Heres what's going on here. You, the naive youngster, are around functional people who smoke all the time and you don't notice it, because how would you? But the only time you DO notice it is when it's somebody who in fact is on the down side, and doesn't do anything.
And you question people's abilities of moderation? I've been smoking pot pretty frequently since I was fifteen, and look at that, I went straight through high school and am going through college now. I've had a job the entire time, I've become proficient on three instruments, and capable on many others, I DO have a life, I spend lots of time going out and doing things, and I'm not some couch potato who does nothing all day.
YOU are just seeing people who ARE "lowlifes" and don't do anything, and on top of that they DO smoke pot (why wouldn't they? they're not doing anything else). Thats the attitude/way they are, not pot. In fact pot doesn't even have the same "do nothing/relax" effect on everybody (even though the government would convince you otherwise). I have friends who smoke and get wired and need to get out and do things more than usual.
Basically, you need to grow up. A majority of the world at this point already realises that pot is relatively harmless, and thats why it's illegality is such a joke. It's absolutely everywhere because people realise it doesn't matter. They also realise that you can get really stoned and go do whatever you have to do, which can't be said of getting really drunk.
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 14:09 |
JLocke wrote:
As for your last paragraph . . . if you honestly think any of us here are saying ''there's no problem'' with drug use, then you sir are blind as well as thick. I'm pretty sure we have all universally agreed that taking drugs does you harm. |
I am tentatively saying that, for some drugs and for some dosages. There is no problem with occasional marijuana use for most people. Besides that, there is both no problem and a distinct benefit of the occasional use of natural hallucinogenics for some, perhaps most, people.
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 14:03 |
A Person wrote:
But doesn't chocolate contain theobromine?
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I don't know. Just pick any non-physically addicting thing that makes you happy and substitute away.
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 14:02 |
jampa, just curious, would you support legalization of marijuana in north america where legal and illigal are totally different things? i know that it would effect south american gangs as most have a majority of their revenue coming from smuggling said marijuana to the north... would perhaps legaly grown american merijuana help to destroy the smuggling economy in south america and have positive effects on your community?
please correct me if im ill informed about guatamalan polotics/gang activity as i am certainly not an expert
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jampa17
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 13:44 |
JLocke wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
himtroy wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Well... I think we see this too much from the US and Europe point of view, but you know that in Latin America and maybe in half of the World, to be "legalized" something do not offer any change at all. I know many druggers, and even if "only" abuse of weed they do not have any more neurons and they became into just a gang of stupid trippy people. Sorry, I know I could say that moderation is the key, but when kids start trying that at 12 or 13, there's no moderation at all and they consume their lives on an addiction. Our world is no horrible, and weed do not make things better... just worse... |
Are you still in high school? Because I'd be shocked if you haven't reached the age where you realise that many completely functional and normal people are smoking pot AND being fine in life. The same as theres people who are successful and go out and drink on the weekends. |
No amount of sense you try to talk into him will ever change his narrow, narrow mind. | Funny... I'm 25 years old and I have several friends who try weed once in a while and everything is fresh, but I know alot more that abuse of it and yes, they do not have a life, they only live and work to buy it... and yes, it's adictive, you can say is because they like it but they HAVE, they NEED to be smoking that cr*p all day, and yes, I can't have a cleaver conversation with them... yes, their minds have lost many of the regular working and the get into abuse.
Sorry if I'm not hipocrit and say "yeah, everything is cool and there's no problem". Of course there's a problem, don't mind -I tell you- if someone want to waste his life on it, but sure it destroys life man... and I have seen it plenty of times now... |
Well, you're wrong as usual. Pot in and of itself is not an 'addictive' substance. As I said way earlier in this very thread, there is a difference between something having physically addictive ingredients in it, and something just being really hard for some people to stop. The first example involves addiction itself. The second scenario I describe is simply a self-induced habit. Big difference. People can literally become addicted to alcohol. And it's a thousand times more dangerous to people's health and well-being that pot ever will be. Yet, it's legal. It's amazing to me how many people still buy into this 'refer madness' nonsense.
As for your last paragraph . . . if you honestly think any of us here are saying ''there's no problem'' with drug use, then you sir are blind as well as thick. I'm pretty sure we have all universally agreed that taking drugs does you harm. That has nothing to do with whether or not I think pot should be legalized. Much more dangerous things than pot are legally provided to folks, so less crime and deaths surround those situations. In contrast, because pot is illegal, kids have a much greater risk of starting it early, getting hooked on harder drugs, and dying as a result of an angry dealer than if the middlemen would be cut out completely, and pot would be legally provided. That shouldn't be the case! Pot on its own would never cause such trouble. |
Man, I wonder why you have to take everything I said with such a mean attitude.
First, I know the difference between addiction and "self-induced habit", which doesnt' have a difference at the end because people -at least the one that I know- just can't stop trying weed. Name it as you want, the fact is that people is really loosing their minds about it, and what abusers said? they said that they need something harder eventually to get the same feeling, so, again, they are wasting their lives on it.
Second, it doesn't depend on me to be legal or not. Yes, I know drinking is way more dangerous than weed. I'm against drinking as well, but I'm seeing it from my cultural reference. As I said it in this very thread, there are places where no matter its legal or not, the reality is same and there's no difference. I have seen lives wasted by alcoholism as well, but not all the places has the regulations, or the government controls or even the education to control a "self-induced habit" or an addiction. If you can see the amount of lives that are wasted in weed -I have seen many...- you can comprehend my point. Guess you have not met someone wasted... but well...
Third, drugs become with a very bad force in between. I used to think "whateve, everybody have their own rights" but now that I grow up I have seen that the problem is bigger and that at least in the local circles I know there's no controls or education enough to deal with it. So, sorry, I disagree...
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